Elfin Bow in Coil, or, Minimum BRD Accuracy for turns 1-4?

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Originally Posted by Bardo

For any physical damage class though (including Bard), as long as you pay attention and keep yourself away from attacking from the front then you can drop all the way down to 455 Accuracy and be fine throughout coil, even turn 5.

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I need to give you a FUC**NG THANK YOU. I'm really tired of these bards with 47X acc telling the World how this is REQUIRED to kill Twin. My miss rate for P1 and P2 is something like 0.2-0.1% (including adds), 0.1-0.2% against Twin (I'm around 450 acc). Against the snakes, I probably missing something like 2-3% of my hits, but noone cares about my DPS during P3 (mana song during the first set of dive bombs, I remove it when the healer have full mana and switch to Requiem after the LB). Many bards don't even know how to position themselves to attack the conflags from behind .....

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Originally Posted by Bardo

I use Elfin in Coil (however, I have T5 pants, so it makes Acc a lot easier).

Recent testing has proven that accuracy caps are positional and that the 472 number is a misnomer, correct?
From what I have seen recently I thought the consensus was:
435 Rear
455 Flank
480+ Front

Mages aim for 435 because all their attacks are "omnidirectional", so they always count as rear.
For any physical damage class though (including Bard), as long as you pay attention and keep yourself away from attacking from the front then you can drop all the way down to 455 Accuracy and be fine throughout coil, even turn 5.

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Excellent post. Thank you.

this directional accuracy sounds like a real load of garbage, my last 5 had a 439 bard with elvin miss 6% of the fight

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Originally Posted by monkguy

this directional accuracy sounds like a real load of garbage, my last 5 had a 439 bard with elvin miss 6% of the fight

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Do you (and your BRD) know what directional accuracy means?

He'd miss a lot UNLESS he was directly behind Twin the entire time with that Acc. Any hits on the Flank or Front can (and will eventually) miss.

we spend 90% of the fight behind twin, theres no way hed miss if it was true, let alone have 93.xx% accuracy

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Originally Posted by monkguy

we spend 90% of the fight behind twin, theres no way hed miss if it was true

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Are you looking at JUST Twin, or the ENTIRE fight? If you are looking at the entire fight, my guess is that the misses occurred during the first phase with the dragons (probably not a lot, just if the tank was dragging them depending on where the Liquid Hells were thrown) and the snake phase, where you are generally facing them. This is just a shot in the dark though, since I'm not looking at the actual raw data.

Also, are you 100% sure that you were directly behind her and all the adds (in the empty part of the circle) 100% of time? This goes for Conflags, Dreads, Scourges and both Snakes, along with Twin. Are you sure you weren't sitting on the border between flank and back at any time? Sitting on the border, or a hair to one side, does not always ensure you are where you think you are.

Also...there is no way, absolutely none, that everyone is directly behind Twin during most of the fight (not counting MT here because that's just impossible). Not with Twisters and Dreads, not with Liquid Hell placement there if you somehow are. Maybe during parts of phases 1 and 2, but 4 and 5? If you are talking you and the BRD...its possible, but you can't be 100% sure that you are both behind her (Twisters say hi). Also...if everyone is there...guess where you're attacking the Dreads from...hint: its not the back...

I've done T5 as BRD with 440 ACC or less and never had lower than 98.8/9%, so him being at 94% (If even true), was a matter of his fault for doing something crazy. If you pay attention to your positioning, let alone specifically timed Hawks Eye usage for when you couldn't get behind something (not necessary, just saying if you wanted to), its not an issue at all.

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Originally Posted by Emblemelite

I use elfin bow in T5, I never miss on Twin or Asclepius. My build for using elfin bow in T5 http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/LZ2E

PS I have roughly 20 or so turn 5 kills.

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Wow you killed Twintania 1 month before Blue Gatr and Patch 2.1, tell me more how accurate your counting is

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Originally Posted by Bardo

I use Elfin in Coil (however, I have T5 pants, so it makes Acc a lot easier).

Recent testing has proven that accuracy caps are positional and that the 472 number is a misnomer, correct?
From what I have seen recently I thought the consensus was:
435 Rear
455 Flank
480+ Front

Mages aim for 435 because all their attacks are "omnidirectional", so they always count as rear.
For any physical damage class though (including Bard), as long as you pay attention and keep yourself away from attacking from the front then you can drop all the way down to 455 Accuracy and be fine throughout coil, even turn 5.

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Would bard AoEs such as wide volley and rain of death be considered omnidirectional? Quick nock (likely no given it's cone shaping)?