This might be why people don't want SMNs much. (Coil Related)

not bashing the 2 mages that left a dps dead entire fight?
swiftcast > raise is hard

How is this even related to Summoners?

Sounds like a lot of sour grapes.


There aren't any "unwritten rules"... if you want to play a dungeon by specific rules, then state them upon entering. If the rest of the group agrees, then you got yourself a verbal agreement. If they don't, then back out and find a group that will play the game the way you want it to be played.

Ninja Looting is always annoying, but not live devestating, ...

but i don´t see how this is SMN or Coil ... or even ARR related.

This has nothing to do with summoners.
It has everything to do with someone just being bad :P

You shoulda kicked him the moment you saw him bringing Ifrit into coil!

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Originally Posted by krazyrs

not bashing the 2 mages that left a dps dead entire fight?
swiftcast > raise is hard

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He returned to the beginning of the area as soon as the fight started, so when the gate locked us in, he was locked out by that point, he didn't wait for anyone to even attempt to Raise him.

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Originally Posted by wicked-one

Ninja Looting is always annoying, but not live devestating, ...

but i don´t see how this is SMN or Coil ... or even ARR related.

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It was something that annoyed me for a few minutes, nothing after that.

Reasons I see stated when looking for PF groups on why they don't want SMNs is usually one of these few reasons:
1. People don't control or use their pets effectively
2. They do not keep up with Black Mages in damage, or in particular fights, they want more Melee classes to take advantage of a fight's mechanic(like the snake's Tail Whip attack which they like to activate so he doesn't do any other attacks for a few seconds, which any class could easily run over and trigger while attacking, but since a Caster would need to be moving and not using all of their spells, they don't want anyone else besides a Melee because they can lock-on and swivel around the target)

There have been other reasons like Bards over SMNs but right now I'm not coming up with anything more concrete.

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Originally Posted by Huntington

There have been other reasons like Bards over SMNs but right now I'm not coming up with anything more concrete.

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I know one. They're dumb enough not to realize how high the DPS of Summoners can be. {You're welcome.}

And wow, since you're claiming that you see those things you listed in Shiva's Party Finder, does that mean the players in there are............. IYKWIM. Or are you just making up those, which is obviously you are.

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Originally Posted by Huntington

2. They do not keep up with Black Mages in damage,

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LMAOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

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Originally Posted by Thorauku

I know one. They're dumb enough not to realize how high the DPS of Summoners can be. {You're welcome.}

And wow, since you're claiming that you see those things you listed in Shiva's Party Finder, does that mean the players in there are............. IYKWIM. Or are you just making up those, which is obviously you are.

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No idea what IYKWIM is, feel free to enlighten me. And no I'm not making those up, those things have been told to me several dozen times across a lot of the Duty Roulette missions and otherwise that I've run across. Of course Summoner has great DPS potential, but most would rather go with another class if they think someone won''t use them well to begin with, I've been denied access to groups simply because they preferred a Bard or Black Mage over Summoners, in Party Finder I rarely see a DPS slot of SMNs because they're only taking BLMs, MNKs, DRGs, or Bards.