The Keeper's Hymn, Why Limit Us?

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Envoyé par PlanckZero

Are you trying to start a troll discussion or something? At first I thought you just had a slip of the tongue but you ACTUALLY BELIEVE that a respec costs you tomes?

It's grand company seals... those things you can get for trading in trash dungeon drops or running some FATEs in your off time. Hell I spent over 14k buying my FC an aetheryte after the last patch and made that back with next to no effort.

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All because after leveling your FC to max NOW doesn't mean we won't have things to buy from them in the future. If your honestly so closed minded to think that this system is perfect (farming 10k tomes is not something you do in 10 minutes mind you, so yes, it takes quite a bit of time.) Please refrain from using petty things like you trolling and stuff, we don't need that kind of idiocy here, no one wants to farm tomes over and over and over just to change stats for a coil turn then change back.

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Envoyé par ZeroRains

All because after leveling your FC to max NOW doesn't mean we won't have things to buy from them in the future. If your honestly so closed minded to think that this system is perfect (farming 10k tomes is not something you do in 10 minutes mind you, so yes, it takes quite a bit of time.) Please refrain from using petty things like you trolling and stuff, we don't need that kind of idiocy here, no one wants to farm tomes over and over and over just to change stats for a coil turn then change back.

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I think he meant you're using the term "tomes" and not "seals" because it takes 10,000 Grand Company Seals to purchase a Hymn Keeper. Not tomes, which are philosophy and mythology respectively.

OT: I agree though, it isn't "that fast" to get 10k, per every time you want to respec, which is why I stopped playing SCH at all and just focus solely on SMN. Yoshi-P got what he wants.

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Envoyé par ZeroRains

All because after leveling your FC to max NOW doesn't mean we won't have things to buy from them in the future. If your honestly so closed minded to think that this system is perfect (farming 10k tomes is not something you do in 10 minutes mind you, so yes, it takes quite a bit of time.) Please refrain from using petty things like you trolling and stuff, we don't need that kind of idiocy here, no one wants to farm tomes over and over and over just to change stats for a coil turn then change back.

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I know it is hard to get this through to you but you really have to get it out of your head that respecs require tomes.

Like I said I had figured that you had a slip of the tongue and had meant to say seals all along but then you went on about how you need to farm primals/coil/whatever so you really have it stuck in your head somehow that allagan tomes are somehow required for buying hymns. If you're going to complain about something you should at least have the slightest clue about what you're complaining about.

S-E-A-L-S

Better yet try and squeeze into your head that you don't need to be the absolute perfect specimen of your job at all times. I've had my stats split 20/10 on my Smn/Sch and I haven't had a single occasion where someone chewed me out because my healing showed a 20 mind deficit or my DoTs were obviously 10 Int behind the other Smn the party knew.

It's points from personal stats, not gear. IMO stat points shouldn't even be changeable. With keeper's hymn, careful planning and consequences don't even exist anymore.

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Envoyé par ZeroRains

(farming 10k tomes is not something you do in 10 minutes mind you, so yes, it takes quite a bit of time.)

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Not in 10 minutes, but in 2 days.
duty roulette, FATEs, GC leves, beastmen dailies, supply & provision missions, GC hunting log.

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Envoyé par Yamimarik

OT: I agree though, it isn't "that fast" to get 10k, per every time you want to respec, which is why I stopped playing SCH at all and just focus solely on SMN. Yoshi-P got what he wants.

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You can play SCH just fine with the 30 attribute bonus points in INT.
It's possible that you may need max possible MND for Twintania, but I'm not sure about that even.
If that 30 MND loss for SCH prevents you from completing anything else, then it's likely that you or your party have other problems.

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Envoyé par ZeroRains

(farming 10k tomes is not something you do in 10 minutes mind you, so yes, it takes quite a bit of time.)

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That's the entire point. They specifically do not want you doing it quickly. You're complaining about something they specifically said that they did on purpose. This will go no where.

Throwing this out here:

People complained they were handed out in 1.2x. So when people complained to SE for a complete overhaul, what used to be given to you when you did job quest (YOU KNOW BECAUSE IT MADE SENSE TO GIVE A POINT REALLOCATION ITEM WHEN YOU UNLOCK A NEW JOB), it's not bought with seals cuz people complained there was nothing to buy with seals.

So basically complaining got us limited. Also 30 Int/Mnd isn't that huge of an impact unless your gear is very far behind.

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Envoyé par Felis

Not in 10 minutes, but in 2 days.
duty roulette, FATEs, GC leves, beastmen dailies, supply & provision missions, GC hunting log.

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Hunting Logs expire, FATEs are useless for people at Lv 50. yay for making people grind just for the sake of grinding.

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Envoyé par Tupsi

So basically complaining got us limited. Also 30 Int/Mnd isn't that huge of an impact unless your gear is very far behind.

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two i90 Rings don't give you 30 INT/MND. two empty equipment slots is not a huge impact?

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Envoyé par Nekodar

You can play SCH just fine with the 30 attribute bonus points in INT.
It's possible that you may need max possible MND for Twintania, but I'm not sure about that even.
If that 30 MND loss for SCH prevents you from completing anything else, then it's likely that you or your party have other problems.

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Wasn't even trying to get on the subject of ACN and it's stat points, I was just using my own personal example about the seals, what the topic is about.

I'll admit it, I'm a min/max'er some times and it applies to the stats for ACN. Fine w/e. Personally I feel like my impact w/o the 30 MND is subpar. Either way...

OT: Still think it takes too long to effectively get enough seals to go between stat changes on a regular basis.