SCH BiS With Allagan/AF2/R30

It ranges from between 750 to 780 (again, no buffs, food, etc).

My gear is Allagan book/ring, Royal gloves (Allagan doesn't exist...), and Myth everything else. MND is 483. Did enough casts to get a decent range, this is what I get.

Adlo: 746-784, 1112-1160 crit
Physick: 996-1049, 1500-1561 crit

Probably a bit wider for max-min as I only did enough that the range of values looked good enough.

One could argue that "relying" on a crit is bad form, but there aren't many situations where I feel I want more consistant heals (Det) over the (fairly decent) chance of crit Adlo, or even crit damage if I'm going all out. The fact of the matter is that a Det build is only 4-5 pieces different from the non-PvP crit BiS (Allagan body/ear/neck, Inferno Bangle, Vortex Ring if you weren't already using it). Not gonna produce a really large difference imo.

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Originally Posted by Alistaire

You still say AF2 body over direwolf? SCH just doesn't need the piety...

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True you dont need Piety as much...but its more useful than morale in pve. I feel that losing 37 total Piety is just too much. 10 crit (about .4pct chance) isnt worth it. Remember that aetherflow is based off of your total mana pool.

That being said...the direwolf chest is an extremely viable piece.

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Originally Posted by Chronos

True you dont need Piety as much...but its more useful than morale in pve. I feel that losing 37 total Piety is just too much. 10 crit (about .4pct chance) isnt worth it. Remember that aetherflow is based off of your total mana pool.

That being said...the direwolf chest is an extremely viable piece.

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37? You lose 26. Which idk if it's always linear but came out to 190 MP for me. If you're going to go for R30's and don't already have AF2 body, you should probably save the myth points.

Ugh, I really have no interest in doing PvP, but I guess it's something I would eventually do...

Question for anyone here but mostly TC, for some slots you have allagan AND AF2. My question is what's the difference, or is the difference so minimal it doesn't matter?

It's really just body/feet/ring you'd even consider over alternatives. Not the end of the world either way. I happen to like PVP and if it's a way to save on some myth as well, that's just a bonus.

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Originally Posted by Brady672

Ugh, I really have no interest in doing PvP, but I guess it's something I would eventually do...

Question for anyone here but mostly TC, for some slots you have allagan AND AF2. My question is what's the difference, or is the difference so minimal it doesn't matter?

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Non-PvP Crit BiS
Allagan: Hands, Ring (subjective)
Primal: Nothing (Vortex Ring over Allagan Ring is subjective)
Myth: Everything else*
*Myth and Allagan are identical for head and legs, and feet are close enough to not really matter. Assume this applies for below unless otherwise stated

PvP Crit BiS
Allagan: Hands, Ring
Primal: Nothing
PvP R30: Body, Feet, Ring
Myth: Everything else

Det BiS
Allagan: Hands, Ring, Body, Neck, Ear
Primal: Inferno Bangle, Vortex Ring
Myth: Everything else

And Allagan grimoire of healing from turn 5 goes without saying.

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Originally Posted by Alistaire

it's a way to save on some myth as well, that's just a bonus.

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My first thought was: They're just going to raise the ilvl so why grind PvP for pieces that may no longer be BiS?
My second thought was: But wait, PvP will probably also raise and you'll save whatever the myth equivalent of iLvl whatever using the wolf marks.

How long did it take you to grind up to R30?

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Originally Posted by Daenerys_Sedai

My first thought was: They're just going to raise the ilvl so why grind PvP for pieces that may no longer be BiS?
My second thought was: But wait, PvP will probably also raise and you'll save whatever the myth equivalent of iLvl whatever using the wolf marks.

How long did it take you to grind up to R30?

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I think you are relating to the next content patch (2.2). As far as i know they will introduce new Tomestones for the new gear. Which means it's probably irrelevant to save up mythos.

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Originally Posted by Chronos

Weapon-Allagan
Head-Allagan/AF2
Chest-AF2
Gloves-Allagan
Belt-Af2
Pants-Allagan/AF2
Shoes-R30 (Gain 21 crit. Lose 11 Piety and 21 Spell speed over Allagan boots)
neck-AF2
Ear-AF2
Wrist-AF2
Ring1-AF2
Ring2-R30( Gain 16 crit. Lose 11 spell speed and 11 det over Vortex Ring)

"But Chronos...u lose 54 stats to gain 37. that seems bad to me" My answer would be that Crit is the most important off stat to a SCH. Crit adlo/succor is insane. 37points is about 2pct extra crit chance. crit also increases the strength of the crit, im not sure by how much tho. Spell speed is worthless because u always have lustrate. 11 piety is no issue since u should never run out of mp anyway. 11 det is = to about 1.5-2 Mind. not much of a loss.

Some would argue that Royal shoes are BiS now but you should never sacrifice mnd/vit for a small increase in crit. The only piece w/o crit now is your head. Grand total crit is 560!

The only problem with this is you gotta be R30, like myself, to be able to use it. Happy Arena gentlemen. It's a fun grind. At this point, if your arent super hardcore, i would recommend just waiting until 2.2 to get i100 stuff and make this entire list pointless.

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The validity of this post is correct to some degree- the additional crit is good for aldo- unfortunately succor doesn't get the some benefit aldo gets from crit but still is a nice pack of additional heals. Crit is our best secondary stat, yet you might want to do some more testing instead of blindly falling unto the crit theory- find out the hard cap on crit if there is one, show some testing and then analyze your readings then relay. Other than that it's not a bad list and any SCH should know this list since September. (excluding r30 gear). Good Post Nonetheless

Cheers

Vitto