Nael Van Darnus [Spoilers...maybe]

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Originally Posted by Orophin

Pretty sure the devs said a while back that he's dead. All you're seeing of him is what the concentrated amounts of Aether in Coil are allowing you to see.

In contrast, they never came and flat out said that Louisoix is dead. They just said that the events surrounding him at Carteneau will be revealed through the Coil quest line. So whether he's actually dead or not is still up in the air.

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Well I never said he will actually be alive in his return.

Also, they never said you can't fight a dead guy. The Nael in FF14ARR could simply be a manifestation created by Aether. Strong manifestations of Aether can interact with the real world as shown through Primals which are beings manifested through Aether (which is why Aether Crystals are always needed to summon them before they appear in Eorzea) and to maintain their existence they consume Aether Crystals to maintain their Aether.

All Nael needs is a steady flow of Aether to maintain his existence which Bahamut can easily provide due to his Elder Primal status.

I highly doubt SE would kill off Bahamut considering what he/it represents in the FF universe. I would have thought it near impossible to actually kill Bahamut, at least without the player "killing" him personally. It's also too good an opportunity to add more content for them to pass up, would probably make for an epic boss fight and could easily add up to a lot more than just 1.

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He's on the good side now.

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Actually, yes, that's exactly what feel he gives during CS.

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I highly doubt SE would kill off Bahamut considering what he/it represents in the FF universe. I would have thought it near impossible to actually kill Bahamut, at least without the player "killing" him personally.

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Bahamut wasn't particulary alive to begin with. He was created by allagans using technologies and dark(?) crystal. So the real Bahamut might be still not revealed to us (if he even exists).

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Originally Posted by Kyriea

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We're not talking about Bahamut but about Nael here....

However, to your comment Bahamut defeat will be a while since Coil Storyline is to serve as a side story explaining what happened to bahamut but it also will serve to explain what lead to Bahamut's return in a future FF14ARR Main Storyline. The Final set of Coil will most likely just have us fight a tough boss and once that boss is defeated we will see a cutscene showing bahamut's return to foreshadow the future Main Story about defeating Bahamut.

Then after Bahamut defeat we will see the Ascian reveal more of their plans and reveal Bahamut is only the first of many other Elder Primals they have planned to unleash on the world. Eventually leading to the next expansion storyline revealing a new Elder Primal stronger or equally as strong as Bahamut.

Sorry misread it, my bad!

Nael van Darnus is dead and gone. What we're seeing is a memory projection, not an actual aetheric being such as a Primal. There's a reason Louisoix and Van Darnus didn't say a word, they aren't Auron who could interact with things despite being dead. SE's way of telling the Battle of Cartaneau will be through these events. If Louisoix were indeed alive, he would have atleast said something. He was never a silent hero, he was the leader of the Circle of Knowing and the Archons. Also we would have access to the Echo, potentially, and be able to witness the Battle of Cartaneau through his own eyes. Instead it's merely a projection, both Louisoix and Van Darnus "know" who we are based on their memories. It's similar to how the characters in XIV had forgotten about us 1.0 players because of the distortion of the aether, probably due to the spell Louisoix used, sending us away and manipulating the aether to save us.

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Originally Posted by NoloeTazier

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Well we still have to wait for more of the Coil Story to be revealed to understand what is going on.

Right now everything is a assumption. heck the reason why we could not hear Louisoix say anything can be because he was too far away from us when he said whatever he said. After all he wasn't shouting when he was talking and we were quite far from where they were standing.

Anything is possible right now due to Part 1 of Coil story purpose is to introduce key characters for Coil Storyline. Let us wait and see what kind of info they bring into the game for Lousioix and Nael's appearance through Coil T6-9 and future turns in Coil Storyline.

Well a few points here, IIRC Bahamut has never been "evil" in any final fantasy game to date. He usually "tests" the strength of people but is generally of a greater good/cause. In FF1 he is who upgrades you to the next tier of jobs.

Now, perhaps, Bahamut, was created to prevent say the Ascians using Zodiark to destroy most of humanity or something. Nael could have noticed this and decided to use Bahamut for the benefit of the Empire, but failed. Thus maybe the lusiox and nael we see now have come to terms that Bahamut must be repaired/restored in order to combat Zodiark.

SO, I predict at some point we will probably fight both at the same time and then after the fight it will be like, "OH we didn't know you guys restoring Bahamut was a good thing." Too late now, commence fight with Zodiark >.>; The fight against Nael will most likely happen, and it will be just as epic as Riven Road (Hard) :D


Now... if only my earrings glowed >.>;

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Originally Posted by EdwinLi

well I doubt any of his ARR fights will be like in 1.0 due to different mechanics in both versions.

If anything we will most likely see more use of Allagan technology in his Coil fight and new mechanics different from 1.0 version in his FF14ARR story version of the fight due to a new arena for his boss battle.

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That's a shame because I loved that fight. It was freaking BRUTAL but not impossible, and there were no stupid shiny red circles in a fixed pattern - no, you had to actually know his pattern and be able to anticipate/react accordingly - it was the closest thing to an XI-styled NM battle as we ever got and it was great ^_^

Hard mode was a bit much though, if only because you had to farm the mobs that spawn in the fight in order to make the item you needed to survive megaflare... lolwut? Even CoP wasn't that harsh. I've not beaten T5 yet (only just beat 4 for the 1st time last night) but I've long suspected ever since we saw his body just disappear into Dalamud that he'd be back.

I really hope he's the boss of Turn 9, and then Bahamut himself is alliance battle in T10 (he has to be, he's way too massive...)

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Originally Posted by NefGP

That's a shame because I loved that fight. It was freaking BRUTAL but not impossible, and there were no stupid shiny red circles in a fixed pattern - no, you had to actually know his pattern and be able to anticipate/react accordingly - it was the closest thing to an XI-styled NM battle as we ever got and it was great ^_^

Hard mode was a bit much though, if only because you had to farm the mobs that spawn in the fight in order to make the item you needed to survive megaflare... lolwut? Even CoP wasn't that harsh. I've not beaten T5 yet (only just beat 4 for the 1st time last night) but I've long suspected ever since we saw his body just disappear into Dalamud that he'd be back.

I really hope he's the boss of Turn 9, and then Bahamut himself is alliance battle in T10 (he has to be, he's way too massive...)

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Well...you did have to farm for those polymers against Ultima/Omega in CoP, but yes I understand how harsh the fight was =P