Question...is Tanaka and Yoshi-P working this way? (Read inside)

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Originally Posted by Morticous

Sorry dood but this comment is fail.. Tanaka had years to get something good out.. We've only given Yoshi a few months to get Tanakas fail plan into gear. Get off the hater aid dood.

However I must say looking at earlier letters from yoshi I expected shit to get done a lot quicker then this.. And now im a little annoyed that we don't get hardly shit worth of communication anymore.

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He's very hellbent on thinking Yoshida has no game development knowledge whatsoever. The only reason the updates have been "disappointing" is because they aren't content updates -- he was given a mess of a game to get back on track and there's the good possibility it will take a very long time to do as such. They literally have to change the game from the core out which unless my company is behind in the times, won't be something that's done in months times. If it gets done within Q1 2012 I'd be shocked.

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Originally Posted by Xatsh

The Japanese are getting more hits then us with information now, I think it has to do with how we take everything. No matter what Yoshida releases he gets flamed, people twist his words into horrible things, rumors spread like wildfire, and page after page of BS appears on the forums. If you where him, wouldn't you stop giving information to the people who are not appreciative of him taking the time to give it to us. His job is not to talk to the Players, his job is to make sure everything in the development is going right.

I mean crap if everyone told me I was just making crap up to string along everyone, and everything I posted was 100% bs I would stop talking to those people.

I could be wrong, but I see it as we all should be glad we are told anything anymore with how we react to it.

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^This is what have been happen as of til now. Admit it, you guys think too much negatively on Yoshi's plan.

Crystal tool is crap there working on something that hard to work with. Tanaka ask for more time CEO said no you have this amount of time deal with it. CEO needed to blame someone tanaka stand up and said i take it then they hire yoshi-p he taking just as long as Tanaka to take a dam patch he done noting but over grow Mobs and make spell bigger and fix a few thing here and there with the ward and so on added pointless NM and pointless Quest with no real backbone storyline or CS. All do to Crystal tool this is what am thinking crystal tool sucks and the old dev team was lazy asshole who did not do anything.

I don't blame tanaka but if tanaka put the final fantasy feel in to ffxiv and yoshi-p add a little western into it the game would be the best tanaka version mix with yoshi-p this is whati want them both working together.

This debate is pointless. Neither Yoshi-P or Tanaka can save this game. I've said it a bunch of times, the only way to save this game is for SE to partner with Hironobu Sakaguchi, and let Mistwalker take over development from here.

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Originally Posted by Zenaku

Crystal tool is crap there working on something that hard to work with. Tanaka ask for more time CEO said no you have this amount of time deal with it. CEO needed to blame someone tanaka stand up and said i take it then they hire yoshi-p he taking just as long as Tanaka to take a dam patch he done noting but over grow Mobs and make spell bigger and fix a few thing here and there with the ward and so on added pointless NM and pointless Quest with no real backbone storyline or CS. All do to Crystal tool this is what am thinking crystal tool sucks and the old dev team was lazy asshole who did not do anything.

I don't blame tanaka but if tanaka put the final fantasy feel in to ffxiv and yoshi-p add a little western into it the game would be the best tanaka version mix with yoshi-p this is whati want them both working together.

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FFXIII and Versus-XIII (which most people are looking forward to) kind of proves the engine isn't crap. XIV's optimization is very very poorly done. There's a lot of games out there that are horrible built on the havoc, CyT and Unreal but you wouldn't call the engines crap.

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Originally Posted by Eekiki

This debate is pointless. Neither Yoshi-P or Tanaka can save this game. I've said it a bunch of times, the only way to save this game is for SE to partner with Hironobu Sakaguchi, and let Mistwalker take over development from here.

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But he would just make a better RPG, which people say are bad for MMORPGs. They have to be action based platformers based on current standards as people say. So partnering with them would actually hurt the game more based on current MMORPG gamers.

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Originally Posted by Jennestia

But he would just make a better RPG, which people say are bad for MMORPGs. They have to be action based platformers based on current standards as people say. So partnering with them would actually hurt the game more based on current MMORPG gamers.

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Heres a newflash for SE.. we don't watch an action based platform that's going to get old in a month. We want a RPG that allows us to play with others.

You guys. Tanaka was never the director. He never had creative control over the project. He didn't have a "vision." He was just responsible for the execution of the game. In that respect he failed. Nobuaki Komoto was the Director, he was the one responsible for any "vision," and he is still part of the team as a lead designer. I think the confusion comes in because Yoshida is now the Producer and Director. So, if in the next few months the additions to the game begin to take some terrible turn, then perhaps we could begin to discuss Yoshida's experience. But right now it is both too soon and inappropriate to compare Yoshida to Tanaka.

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Originally Posted by Xatsh

The Japanese are getting more hits then us with information now, I think it has to do with how we take everything. No matter what Yoshida releases he gets flamed, people twist his words into horrible things, rumors spread like wildfire, and page after page of BS appears on the forums. If you where him, wouldn't you stop giving information to the people who are not appreciative of him taking the time to give it to us. His job is not to talk to the Players, his job is to make sure everything in the development is going right.

I mean crap if everyone told me I was just making crap up to string along everyone, and everything I posted was 100% bs I would stop talking to those people.

I could be wrong, but I see it as we all should be glad we are told anything anymore with how we react to it.

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Doesn't each letter he puts out get like 500 Likes???? I doubt he makes all of his decisions based on peoples forum posts. Also when he says hes gonna get something done quick.. or its gonna take time.. or however he wants to say it, it would be helpfull to give us a target time like.. 3 months.. and within that three months give us an update like... 'Well we ran into some more problems so maybe another month so instead of Aug.. now Sept.' or.. 'Hey we are really moving along fast! instead of Aug the release should be out July!'

But when it says I'm going to get this game turned around as fast as I can (Or whatever he said to that effect) it makes people think.. 'WOw! this game should be looking good in about 2-3 months!' not... 'Wow! This game should be looking good in another year and a half!'

We are all running on a lot of promises hopes and wishes right now.. and none of those show a damn thing when its taking this long so don't be so quick to dismiss the people who are confused and dissapointed.

I also want to say that people don't need to be near as harsh as they are about how they talk about people either. That is not constructive at all.

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Originally Posted by Jennestia

But he would just make a better RPG, which people say are bad for MMORPGs. They have to be action based platformers based on current standards as people say. So partnering with them would actually hurt the game more based on current MMORPG gamers.

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Don't forget that Sakaguchi was still holding the reins at Square when FFXI was developed and released. The idea to make FFXI an MMORPG was his idea.