A Better Lockout Removal Compromise

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Originally Posted by Edenholt

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Well, I guess I'm starting to get fed up with these threads popping up since the Live Letter.

I already posted this in the other thread, but might as well post it here since this thread is relevant to compromise for the rewards for those who cleared the content before the nerf.

SE should hold an event wherein players who cleared the X content "first" will receive an X reward. Which is a win-win situation IMHO, giving players something to work for and rewarding them something only the first one will have.

'Hardcore' players usually play to beat super hard content for the sake of knowing you can beat the hardest the game has to offer. Now, with the hardest being nerfed and even more new content that is supposed to be the new extreme stuff, coming out, you'd think this would be very welocome. I have played games where my super uber gear eventually becomes second in comparison because of new content replacing older content which few experienced. I was happy I could continue growing my char with new challenges until the cycle repeats.

That's fine & good for some, but not for all. A huge number of achievers in MMO's want something to show for their accomplishments.

I know I can beat the end-game content of practically any MMO, I know with enough time & practice most others can too... I & thousands of others would like to be able to stand apart rather than simply fall victim to homogenization/gear-reset time & time & time again.

Honestly people, I don't think it's too much to ask to grant something visually minor for said accomplishments... what's the harm in this suggestion. Casuals get the option of defeating the content & earning those pieces for themselves in time, hardcores get something minor that lasts with them.

You get a reward. It's called you get to do Coil 6-9 right away as opposed to people that have to grind 1-5 the gear.
It's a MMO. Your leet gear WILL become obsolete. You WILL NOT get some sort of compensation for it other then being able to be the first to be able to grind for whatever the newest leet gear is. This is how MMOs work. This is how MMOs will ALWAYS work. If this arrangement is disagreeable, then I suggest a different game genre.

Though, as I have said in other posts, I would not be opposed to getting an achievement for beating coil without having the echo buff,(applied retroactively).

As someone who clears all of the content weekly, no, we don't need anything to show for what we've done. The content isn't even hard enough to warrant it.

Removing the lockout is fine, it was always a bad way to extend short lasting content, same thing with Allagan stone caps. Now nerfing difficulty itself I think is really condescending to players in general, say I'm a fresh 50 who just got the game on 2.2 launch, instead of experiencing the content with its original difficulty and going through the same journey and getting the satisfaction of finally beating those challenges and catching up with the latest content I can just jump straight into it because the newest things are the only ones that count and screw old challenges. There's no real satisfaction in that and it's a bit insulting for lack of a less dramatic word, kinda what happened before release with certain quests and dungeons getting nerfed into the ground.

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Originally Posted by ElHeggunte

The only "reward" anyone who cleared it prior to the nerf needs is the knowledge that they cleared it when it was hard.

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Well, mid tier.

Only one party defeated Twin at full power. Ever.

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Originally Posted by Alvarion

As someone who clears all of the content weekly, no, we don't need anything to show for what we've done. The content isn't even hard enough to warrant it.

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One) it's not about how difficult it was, it's about the investment & having nothing to show in return (the gear doesn't count).
Two) that's fine for you; there are thousands of people who hate the homogenization, think it's archaic, & would much prefer to have something small to show for their efforts than nothing at all (again, the gear doesn't count).

Just because you beat content before a nerf doesn't make you entitled to squat. Can't you just be happy with the satisfaction of know what you did without have to epeen it? Seriously no one really cares when "you" cleared content except "you".

I can't wait for this entitlement generation to be replaced by the next...

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Originally Posted by Pinworms

Just because you beat content before a nerf doesn't make you entitled to squat. Can't you just be happy with the satisfaction of know what you did without have to epeen it? Seriously no one really cares when "you" cleared content except "you".

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That's neat... one) this' for this suggestion is for those 'you's' who care... and two) there is no entitlement here whatsoever (do you hear complaining, do you see me saying they 'deserve it'? No, I say it would be a nice way of honoring those efforts).