Public Poll: Are FATES a good idea for FFXIV?

I voted dislike. It's not really FATE itself, it is that they completely got rid of Notorious Monsters. Roaming NMs and force Pop NMs were fun in XI and could be implemented in a way that doesn't require the Time Sink that they were in that game.

Make them Force Pop NMs that require Rare items from Dungeons. And as you progress through the Tier of NMs and collect the Key items that they drop, you can Pop Higher Tier NMs. Kind of like that battle system in Treasures of Aht Urghan. Or along the lines of Abyssea NMs where normal mobs had a chance to drop the pop item.

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Originally Posted by Orophin

I enjoy them in small doses. I didn't like the fact that they were the defacto way of leveling alt classes prior to 2.1 though.

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This is why I liked them before. Playing FATEs (mainly boss ones like Svara and Gorgi) with a lot of people was fun.

Now any random FATE takes too long to complete (not as much people). It almost killed my enjoyment of them and leveling alt jobs.

FATEs are good. But it need still some works.
As example the <participate> button ShadowDan mentioned. During 1.0 there was events which worked like FATEs where you needed first to speak with a NPC to participate. As example the Garlean invasion events or the summer events.
And for some FATEs, like Caravan Escorts, also a limit of participants, so SE can change it back how it was in 1.0 (with an own UI segment showing the status of the chocobos with 3 8-bit Chocobos)
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I like the idea of FATEs, but I'm looking forward to more variety in the rewards and less zerging.

Some thoughts:

• Every FATE should to have a participant cap -- very large for some (Odin, Behemoth,Seasonal Event), smaller for others (Sirocco, etc)
• Introduce FATEs which have some have unique item/material drops, or even large amounts of Gil, instead of EXP or GC seals - Drop % of gil or gear/mats should scale with participation level.
• FATEs that grant EXP/Seals should be common and predictable. FATEs that drop items should be rare and irregular.
• Difficult FATEs that require strategy rather than spamming attacks.

I really don't like how FATEs are implemented. :/ Boring rewards (oh yay, xp and gil and seals) with only the occasional vanity item, and their presence poses absolutely no threat. I can't help but think to all the times I've been doing stuff around Telaria and got plowed over by elite invasions or rifts... seeing the entire map light up with bad guys every so often... That and the variety of rewards made for a much better "dynamic open world" experience than FATES do.

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Originally Posted by Zantetsuken

[*]Every FATE should to have a participant cap -- very large for some (Odin, Behemoth,Seasonal Event), smaller for others (Sirocco, etc)

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Instead of a cap, make it scale to the number of players.

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Originally Posted by Zantetsuken

I like the idea of FATEs, but I'm looking forward to more variety in the rewards and less zerging.

Some thoughts:

• Every FATE should to have a participant cap -- very large for some (Odin, Behemoth,Seasonal Event), smaller for others (Sirocco, etc)
• Introduce FATEs which have some have unique item/material drops, or even large amounts of Gil, instead of EXP or GC seals - Drop % of gil or gear/mats should scale with participation level.
• FATEs that grant EXP/Seals should be common and predictable. FATEs that drop items should be rare and irregular.
• Difficult FATEs that require strategy rather than spamming attacks.

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With the massive amount of people that attend he Behemoth / Odin FATEs there would be no effective way to implement strategy. Unless they locked outside Partys out, like in XI where you could only attack mobs under your own party control.

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Originally Posted by Gilthas

FATEs themselves aren't a problem and can be fun. The only problem is that FATE farming became the best way to get experience so people spam them and then complain about them being boring.

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Which is no longer a problem anymore as everyone has found out how much better dungeon EXP is.

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Originally Posted by Jubez187

SE didn't kill anything. Nobody said that the only way to play 1-50 is to spam the best XP per hour. WE/US/THEPLAYERS killed FATEs with our impatience and greed. Don't forget that WE called for FATE nerfs (or better dungeon XP) and SE simply did as the players asked. Seriously, you're a child, take some responsibility.

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That's not really accurate. Prior to 2.1, it was simply the best way to level an alt class - and the best way to get through the last few levels, because there simply aren't enough quests in game to get from 1-50 on one class, let alone two or three.

There still aren't enough quests in game to do that, but we have dailies now - which you can do for XP the last few levels. I hear they buffed DoW/DoM Leves to make them more attractive, so there's that. And they fixed dungeons so they're a viable way to level as you go. So those are improvements, but honestly...it is SE's fault that they made FATEs the only viable option for most people.

And don't even bring up mob grinding. That's effectively what FATEs are, so if one is okay the other one is, too.

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Originally Posted by Jubez187

Don't forget that WE called for FATE nerfs (or better dungeon XP) and SE simply did as the players asked. Seriously, you're a child, take some responsibility.

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I didn't call for fate xp nerf. I wasn't especially vocal in the debate about it, but I certainly wasn't asking for a fate xp nerf. The dungeon xp buff seemed sufficient enough.

Unfortunately, fates have become exactly what I said they would during the xp nerf debate: chronic eyesores blotting the open world maps. As for fates being dead, a large part of what made fate grinding possible were the "spontaneously" formed groups. Now it's back to the previous paradigm for this type of content, one which I've watched flop twice (WAR & GW2), and suspect it flopped in at least a third (Rift).