To Many Builder of the Realms

I don't agree with the idea of locking people out of crafts.

I would however like an extra tier of progression beyond level cap that encourages specialization.. Not necessarily locking someone out of mastering multiple professions, merely time and resource intensive enough to be prohibitive in the same way a PvE player is bottlenecked by Coil lockouts and tome farming.

I'd also like a system that didn't so heavily push players toward diversifying in the first place. Part of the reason there's so many "I do everything" crafters is because you're not gonna be a very good level 50 DoH until you're level 50 in two or three professions other than the one you want to play (unless you happen to really like one of those 'must have' disciplines I guess).

So, in a game where the battle classes are complaining about lockouts, you want to add the same thing (except it would be a PERMANENT LOCKOUT) to the crafting side of the game?

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Originally Posted by Calyanare

Not to state the obvious, but crafting isn't intended to be your main class/activity.

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To be somewhat fair, crafters originally WERE intended to be a main class/activity, which brought a lot of people to this game. 2.0 basically threw that all out the window (why I say "somewhat"). A lot of us want that back.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...-vision-of-1.0


I don't like the idea of lockouts for crafting, though.

I think the biggest problem with crafting atm is the leves. It's kinda sad when you can get 5 levels in 8 leves and not even have to craft the items yourself. I miss the grind from 1.0, it was no where near the grind in xi but it still took some time to cap a craft. Same could be said about the gathering jobs. As it stands now the markets are just flooded with mats. For a game that's supposed to last years there really isn't any long term things to do.

The reason the markets are flooded with mats is that leveling a gathering class is way too much of a grind. If you don't pay attention to what sells, and only gather (for example) mats the same level as your BTN/MIN (maybe this maximizes XP? who knows), you have to gather several stacks to get to the next level (especially at higher levels), even with rested XP, food, and the GC buff. Everybody else is doing the same thing, so there are more mats on the market than will ever be used up by the crafters.

I agree, I have all 50 DoL and have a surplus of mats that I can't even put a dent in on my retainer. DoL were grindy in 1.0 as well but what balanced it out was due to crafters actually using the mats to level. The leves for crafting give far too much xp and there is really no reason to actually grind your class unless you're out of leves. Quests handing us gear instead of relying on crafters is also making it pointless to use most mats. One could argue that you could use HQ gear to level but at the current state the game is in its all fate grinding and you can just use GC gear for that.

I honestly like the idea of raids like coil dropping mats that crafters could use to make certain gear. Kind of like what XI did with the voidwatch gear. There were HQ versions of the pulse bodies that dropped from the mobs but you could also use mats from those fights to make NQ versions to sell on the AH. Lower stats yes but they were still very useful when you couldn't get the drop you wanted and/or wanted to use it on an alt without farming the mobs and wasting all your voidstones.

I didn't play 1.0. I didn't have the expectation that crafting would be a main class. HOWEVER, it has become my main activity. I've always enjoyed crafting in MMOs, andin games that limit the number of professions you can have, I often would drop a max level profesion to level another one, sometimes repeatedly.

I would like some uniqueness added. Whether it's jobs, or stat choices, or even if it's only aesthetic. If there are no lock outs of any type, then everyone is exactly the same :(

Crafting has accidentally become my main activity. It just seemed obviously beneficial to level them all together. I don't have tons of time to play, so I have 1 level 50. My main battle class Whm is level 36. All of my DoH and DoL (except fishing) are 35+, most 40+. CRP was my first to 50, and there's a very good chance Alc, and Cul will follow very shortly after and Gsm won't be far behind. Wvr, Bsm, Ltw provide a lot of gear, so that will soften the difficulty of leveling, but will probably be more of an 'as needed' basis. Arm is the only one I struggle with - but it's a simple choice of lots of steps, or lots of running - and with the other 7 the last one is just the home stretch.

If materials continue to be reasonably economic to buy for leveling, I may not get my DoL up until I need specific stuff for gear (so at the same pace as my battle class).

I for one would like to see them add uniqueness, I mean if everyone masters everything, everyone is all the same, Im pro self sufficiency, but also pro market health and interaction.

The crafting system is pretty good, it should play like a main aspect of the game. in this day and age I somewhat exspect it ( I mean vanguard came out 5+ years ago and had a rich crafting sphere ((if nothing else lol)).

Having multiple areas of play is good for longevity, I would like to see crafters as well as DOL and DOW classes all be allowed to specialize in some area, diversity is fun, Im finding that I really love this game even tho I generally hate super linear games, I feel like ti could use some actual choice that affects who you are and gives you more of an indentity.

1.0 tried to get crafters out in the field. They even participated in a city defense called Halmet (some didn't like Halmet's repetitiveness, but that's besides the point, I am talking about the concept).

They originally wanted to find ways to get crafters to come into dungeons, too. We even were supposed to build airships that could fight each other. I really want to see them bring those ideas back.

I love crafting but it isn't going to be great for a while i'm afraid. We can't even craft the highest gear and that was a decision the team made. So when patch 2.2 comes out we may have ilvl 110 gear from Coil 6+ but the highest crafted will be ilvl 90. It will always be one step behind. I just want more depth something that can make me more unique that the next crafter. Right now the only thing that stands us apart is how much money/time we've wasted on materia and that's it.