[Petition] We want Red Mage!

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Originally Posted by Naberrie

I think the reason we likely won't get RDM is that he has no definable role. He's not strictly DD. He's not strictly a healer. What would he queue as in DF?

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Bard was also a support class and they messed with it and put it into the game as a dps class. I think they could do the same with Red Mage, probably making it a dps class as well, but im sure that most people will not be happy with what sacrifices they have to make in order for the job to fit into the tank/heals/dps structure the game has now.

RDM's were horridly underpowered and useless for 90% of the games they were in, with the exception of being incidental healers or dealing miniscule, insignificant damage. For their utility and versatility they had to be; it made sense.

Except for the games where they granted X-Magic/Doublecast. But that was the only reason you went after one.

Sooooo I dunno how you'd balance that in a MMO following the WoW example where DPS requirements are tight and healer checks even tighter.

Technically if you want a RDM-flavored class, you need only look toward Arcanist. Not SMN, not SCH, Arcanist; cross-classing CNJ skills, probably.

Bring us the mystic fencer of all trades. my sword and shield need enchanting, and there are no more fun a player to fight and rp with then a Red Mage.

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Originally Posted by xwxmeowxvvx

im sure that most people will not be happy with what sacrifices they have to make in order for the job to fit into the tank/heals/dps structure the game has now.

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Depends on what would be sacrificed. Unintended boss soloing? Sure. Spell spread in such a way that I can be funneled into healing even when I don't want to? Definitely (I'm okay with limited off heals but yeah, leave the healing to the real healers). Melee as a main element of the job? No way.

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Originally Posted by Borfin

So I dunno how you'd balance that in a MMO following the WoW example where DPS requirements are tight and healer checks even tighter.

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Emphasize on DPS and make the utility useful yet not so OP that it breaks the job. As mentioned before, if you want a good reference from WoW, see: Retribution Paladin, Enhancement Shaman.

I would appreciate it if they made red mage a tank class. Here's my idea:

They have 2 modes: Solo Mode and Group Mode (toggle - give it a cool name like X-Cast on/off)
Offensively: They do much less damage then black mages and summoners when X-Cast is on but generate greater enmity.
Defensively: Their spells cannot be interrupted in X-Cast mode, but they cannot heal themselves -> only others.

They have spell defensive cool-downs and passives which is how they tank effectively based on some mix of their piety/mind/int. Would be pretty awesome :D

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Originally Posted by Wavytiger

not sure what job will be kinda like archer/bard, but my guess is musketeer --> rdm/corsair



it would be a DD, like the bard is, the bard wasnt a DD is 11, but is now, so they have shown they can change it up.

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Due to how they both work, -if- they both get put in, Id say it would perhaps be ???->Red Mage/Blue Mage (sword wielding magic Users, Mystic Swordsman wouldnt quite fit since those are all self buffs). ??? + CNJ for Red (perhaps, dunno how the combo White/Black spells would work), ??? + ACN for Blue.

Double Cast?

My prediction for RDM:

Base Class: Fencer
-melee attacker with combos that focus on debuffing enemies through attacks

Advanced Job: Red Mage - dps (with a dash of support, sort of like bard)
-gains casting abilities such as a refresh spell, doublecast which does two strikes of damage animated as a fireball followed by a lightning strike, en-spells which add elemental damage to attacks, party wide haste spell

Advanced Job: Dancer - healer
-gains self-cast buffs which transfer effect to enemies attacked. These effects can be straight up debuffs or provide benefits to party members who attack while it is debuffed.
-cures which are cast using stacks earned by attacking/debuffing targets.

Edit: As an aside, since Blue Mage was brought up... I predict that Blue Mage will be a job specialization of the Shepherd class, alongside Beastmaster.

Last I checked, isn't Assassin or Elementalist another way to go?

I would love if the rdm turned into the ffxiv version of a dps oriented reaver or valewalker from daoc =P