I Might Be a Terrible Scholar

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Originally Posted by SeraviEdalborez

Fairy management shouldn't be necessary at all.

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Fixed it for ya. Seriously, stop suggesting that new SCHs get into completely wasteful habits.

The only, and I do mean *only*, thing you should EVER have to micromanage is Embrace...which you don't need to do until Titan HM. If you want to do it earlier, more power to you - but stop suggesting that it's required.

Alright, I'll rephrase.

Not necessary, but if you're having this level of issue then something as simple as Place and Steady is helpful and, yknow, not difficult at all.

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Originally Posted by SeraviEdalborez

Alright, I'll rephrase.

Not necessary, but if you're having this level of issue then something as simple as Place and Steady is helpful and, yknow, not difficult at all.

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I get the distinct feeling that it's a problem on the tanking side. I don't see how a few more Embraces is going to save a tank that isn't staying alive through Adlo/Physick cycles.

Heck, you don't even need Adlo/Physick pure cycles on Turn 4 of Coil! You sure as heck don't need it in Stone Vigil.

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Originally Posted by FinagleABagel

There's some bad advice in here. Eye for Eye is probably in the top 3 best support spells in the game. You want to use it when your tank is getting hit from multiple sources. You can cycle in Virus if you are having real issues.

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I'm not sure if you are referring to me, but since I'm one of the two people giving more than token advice, I assume you are. I will admit that I am not the best SCH, but I believe am quite competent. I agree that Eye for Eye should be in your rotation, but it's a probability based skill, one that is completely overshadowed by Sacred Soil when you get it. I grant that at the OP's level, Eye for an Eye is stronger than any other tools if there are many enemies, but I would not go so far as to call it one of the top 3 best support spells.

The probability of a given monster getting the debuff is 0.89 assuming they attack every 3 seconds (most attack more slowly, giving a smaller probability). The average number of debuffs would be the sum[0<i<=n](0.89i) Where n is the number of monsters hitting the tank..... Huh... what do you know. I actually agree with you, statistically speaking, Eye for an Eye is superior to Virus if n > 2. Well, the numbers don't lie, I'm glad you made me do that analysis, you learn something new every day. Of course, that's still based on the extremely generous assumption that the monster attacks every 3 seconds, many hard hitting monsters do not.

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Originally Posted by FinagleABagel

Do not have Adlo in a static rotation. It's a pure situational skill. Your primary benefit as a SCH is near endless mana. Thus, sitting on Physick most of the time allows you to have all options open to you (including DPS).

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This I genuinely don't agree with though. While it's true that Physick is more efficient MP wise, and heals for more. Al Loquium gives you an extra GCD that you otherwise wouldn't have. Since, as you said yourself, SCH have very little MP efficiency issues, time is a much more valuable commodity. Buying yourself an extra GCD can be extremely useful. Additionally, the more Ad Loquium you cast, the more likely you will get a Crit, and a Crit buys you a glorious 4 GCD to apply debuffs, top off other party members, maybe do some damage depending on the fight.

@Hulan:

E4E gets the nod over Sacred Soil due to its cross class to WHM. Also, it doesn't take an Aetherflow stack which makes SS darn near useless in my book. The only time SS is even remotely worthwhile considering is on Titan HM phase shifts and the end of Turn 4 Coil. Any other time it's a waste. I have a very low opinion of SS. It's mitigation is crap and its RNG buff to Succor is useless in most cases.

As I said in my post, E4E is for group tanking. You can throw it on as a RNG rotation on bosses. Either works, but the former is superior to the latter.

In regards to Adlo, it's stupid over heal. There is no situation at any point in this game that requires spamming on Adlo. It doesn't buy you an extra GCD because you shouldn't be using it to top someone off. It's best used to soak predictable damage or to put up a wall on the tank's HP so you don't have to be concerned as much about RNG hits. Using Adlo is akin to WHM's Stoneskin. They should be used in similar ways.

You never need to "buy" a GCD because you should be in Cleric Stance doing damage and using one Lustrate stack to heal the tank. Adlo is great to pre-shield going into a mob pull. Once you DoT/DoT/Bane/SF/Miama 2 - you should pop back out, heal the tank, go into Ruin II rotations.

ive recently started doing speed runs of WP on scholar and something i've started doing on mob packs of multiple pulls is have my fairy constantly spam embrace even when the tank is at full hp then i will mostly cast Adloquium with some physic mixed in.

When the tank goes down to maybe 30%-45% I use Adloquium then I use Physick. I do this, because the shield the Adloquium puts up is enough to give me and Eos time to heal people back up. You shouldn't spam Adloquium just one will be fine in that percentage. Also try to pre-cast it before a pull so it can give you time to place Eos/Selene.

To be clear, I'm speaking specifically to situations like the OP's. Situations in which the tank is taking more damage than can be countered with a single Ad Loquium, Eos, and a few touch ups. In a speed run scenario, or even in a well practiced group, such a situation doesn't come up. But the OP was asking what to do when the tank is taking that much damage. At that point, Ad Loquium's ability to give you 3-12 seconds of safety to get back into equalibrium is invaluable. In my limited experiance. But of course, for more advanced end game scenarios, I defer to my elders and superiors.

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Originally Posted by Hulan

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That's perfectly fair. If a tank really is dying to mobs that fast than you might as well get every sliver of mitigation. I'll freely admit that my tanks spoil me. :)

I haven't full DF'd in over a month.

I'd just make sure if you have to Adlo spam, you aren't doing it to top off a tank. A 70% Adlo threshold should be fine. If things going really bad Adlo/Lustrate makes a powerful combo. Always pre-shield a tank prior to pulling mobs - that's free mitigation.