Most efficient Bard Rotation DPS wise

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Originally Posted by Santell

actually it doesnt really matter what dot you apply first since all dots on the server tick at the same time...

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It does, because there is a chance (a fairly high chance, actually) of a tick happening before the second DoT is applied.

Thus, you always want windbiter to be applied first. This is true unless the thing would die in under 5 seconds, in which case, why didn't you just use 2 heavy shots lol.

oh no i agree, windbiter should be applied first, im just saying it's not the end of the world if you're doing it the other way. i like to SS>BL>*BUFFS*>WB, VB>flaming aero>heavy shot spam/BL when up rinse and repeat without letting dots/SS buff fall off ^.^ its actually really simple, my "1" button is a macro with HS BL and ME
SS replaces HS during the spam period if procd for crit

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Originally Posted by pandabearcat

It does, because there is a chance (a fairly high chance, actually) of a tick happening before the second DoT is applied.

Thus, you always want windbiter to be applied first. This is true unless the thing would die in under 5 seconds, in which case, why didn't you just use 2 heavy shots lol.

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Less than 2 ticks left: Heavy
2-4 ticks left: Venomous->Windbiter->Heavy
More than 4 ticks left: Windbiter->Venomous->Heavy

Assuming you actually care enough to break it down that far.

Why would you ever venomous over windbiter?

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Originally Posted by pandabearcat

Why would you ever venomous over windbiter?

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It frontloads more of its damage. In 2 ticks, Venomous does 170 potency vs Windbiter's 150. Only at 4 ticks do they match up at 240 potency.

Like I said, it only matters if you absolutely insist on breaking things down that far. I usually don't bother.

You are confusing the attack potency "frontloading" with the fact that you are using both, regardless of which is used first.

What you say is true IF you only used one or the other, and compared them side by side.

Lets assume the first dot does 1 tick, the second dot does 0.

WB > VB

WB = 60 (attack) + 45 (tick) = 105
VB = 100 (attack)

Total = 205

VB > WB

VB = 100 (attack) + 35 (tick) = 135
WB = 60 (attack)

Total = 195.

So even in the 2.5-5 second scenario, WB > VB is superior.

But you said yourself that in the <5 second scenario, Heavy beats both of them, at 300 potency. Remember that if they aren't getting a second tick in, it's less potency than Heavy for more TP cost. It's only when you're sure there are 2 ticks left that you should even be looking to decide which one to use first.

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Originally Posted by Viridiana

But you said yourself that in the <5 second scenario, Heavy beats both of them, at 300 potency. Remember that if they aren't getting a second tick in, it's less potency than Heavy for more TP cost. It's only when you're sure there are 2 ticks left that you should even be looking to decide which one to use first.

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Yes this is true, but I'm not sure what you're arguing for here.

It doesn't matter if we set it to 5 seconds, or 12 seconds, 100 seconds, or anything in between, because really the only thing to compare is: which attack gets an extra tick.

We could easily have the scenario be 2 ticks/1 tick, or 3 ticks/2 ticks, or what have you, you still will windbite first.

And since Windbite has 10 more potency per tick than Venomous, you always windbite first, unless you don't have time to use both, in which case skip both and use HS/SS instead.

1, 5, 4, 3, 2, 3, 2, 3, 2, 5, 3, 2, 4, 3, 2, 3, 2, 3, 2, 6, 1

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Originally Posted by pandabearcat

We could easily have the scenario be 2 ticks/1 tick, or 3 ticks/2 ticks, or what have you, you still will windbite first.

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Not quite.

At 2/1 tick, you would Venomous Bite for 170, then realize that your Windbiter would only be 105 and it's better to Heavy. You wouldn't Windbiter->Venomous, because that loses to 2x Heavy

V->H = 170+150 = 320
W->H = 150+150 = 300
H->H = 150+150 = 300
W->V = 150+135 = 285
V->W = 170+105 = 275

At 3/2 tick, Windbiter edges out Venomous.

W->V->H = 195+170+150 = 515
V->H->H = 205+150+150 = 505
V->W->H = 205+150+150 = 505
W->H->H = 195+150+150 = 495
H->H->H = 150+150+150 = 450

Of course, this all assumes that you can forecast when the enemy will die with that much precision. There's a reason I usually stick to W->V, even though I know that there are cases where Venomous should be priority.