Amdapor Keep - Demon Wall - WHM tips please!?

I only have trouble healing at the bees if I have a regen on someone or screw up and use Medica II right before the 2nd push.

Right before the bees, at the pushback I Medica to top everyone off then reposition after the push. My pally tank sister uses whatever that is that prevents her from being pushed back and then flashes the bees and maintains hate as the DD uses LB on one of the bees and they burn it down and switch to the next. I then just do the purple line dance and medica II and DOT the wall.

If we have a good enough damage setup we ignore the bees completely and burn down the wall.

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Originally Posted by YanDere

Regen is the most useless whm skill, I've never used it, not even with Garuda HM.

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You're doing it wrong. Regen ticks for 150 potency every three seconds for 21 seconds. That's 1050 potency over the spell's duration. Cure1 is 400 potency.
Regen doesn't do as much burst healing as Cure1 or Cure2, obviously. But it heals for way more.

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Originally Posted by Norbi

You're doing it wrong. Regen ticks for 150 potency every three seconds for 21 seconds. That's 1050 potency over the spell's duration. Cure1 is 400 potency.
Regen doesn't do as much burst healing as Cure1 or Cure2, obviously. But it heals for way more.

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I didn't say "it's the most weak", I said "useless".
This is because you'll never need Regen, if the situation is bad you use Medica II.
Regen takes too much aggro, you lose far more than what you gain.
I never use Regen, never used against primals HM, nor in dungeons.
It's simply useless.
If you use Regen against primals you'll raise the probability of being hit by Ifrit's Eruption, by Garuda's little whirlwind or being closed in the rock by Titan.

Another idea to consider:

Put regen on all 4 players right before the bees spawn: then rotate between medica 2, holy, medica: the stun actually makes it easier to heal and you don't have to worry about moving out of a red circle.

(and you're doing a little dps to the wall to help out/kill bees aswell)

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Originally Posted by Selemar

Another idea to consider:

Put regen on all 4 players right before the bees spawn: then rotate between medica 2, holy, medica: the stun actually makes it easier to heal and you don't have to worry about moving out of a red circle.

(and you're doing a little dps to the wall to help out/kill bees aswell)

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I tried it already, but stun is like sleep: the first time it lasts several seconds, the second time something like 10 seconds, then it lasts like 2 or 3 so it's useless, and when mobs recover you are really really really really dead XD
And you'd also have to do Medica II - Cleric Stance - Holy - Cleric Stance and so on, wasting lots of time.
And, Holy takes something like 500-600 MPs and Medica II 400-500, a full DL + Relic whm has something like 5000 MP maybe (I have 4000-4500, don't remember)
It's not possible.

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Originally Posted by Raiz_Cineris

During his cast time where he is about to push the group back take that time to cast stoneskin on yourself and as soon as you see the bees aggro you cast Shroud of Saints.

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I cast medica II and wait until tank grabs aggro before popping SoS. If you pop it immediately, it wont do you much good because you would be the only person who has aggro. :)

Whitemage guide ... That I used when I had bad gear (few days ago)

-Right After the Last Sides purple AOE ... Use medica I till you have all ur party members with full hp

-After the repel that is followed by bee's spawn ( DON'T HEAL \ DON'T AOE HEAL\ DON'T REGEN - because if you do any heal on tank\DPS in the same time Bees spawn you'll have alot of aggro) ! for 2-3Seconds till tank\off tank has aggro ..... this also will help you at Garuda ( When Sisters phase Starts )

-Start casting Medica II Followed by Medica I As much as you think is enough ... try to Regen\Single heal the Tank if he's taking much damage!

-You need to pre-move to the place that will have no AOE Attack ... ( Like immedately after repel stay at the Sides ... after MID AoE go to the MID and continue your job )...
After Bee's death just return to your old rotation of healing ! The hard part is done

If you do exactly what I said you won't even need the Shroud (-50% Aggro) ...

That fight is really easy: Don't heal, if you dont need to.

You start the fight in Cleric Stance and you are not going to leave it, until the 2nd Repel.
So you DPS all the time, just before the 2nd Repel comes heal everyone to 100%, without Medica2.

Now (still in Repel cast time) pop Shroud, because you need the MP since you have been dealing damage until now.
Be patient now, everyone will have around 80-90% HP (Repel +max 1tick of purple fun) its not your time to heal.

Once DDs and the Tank have the Bee(s) under control Heal them up (Shroud should be still up at this point), it shouldnt even matter how you heal then, I just cast medica2 followed by swiftcast medica1 what is basically the worst thing you can do enemity-wise but it doesn't matter anymore.

Bees are dead now, get everyone to at least 80%, finish your healing up with medica2 and start the cleric stance fun again until the wall is dead.

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Originally Posted by YanDere

Snip, stuff about regen

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You'll want to rethink that. Regen is, without a doubt, the most useful skill that WHM has. It's extremely cheap in MP. It allows you to top off people with relative ease. It helps negate non-dispelable DoTs like Firestream. It helps regenerate HP between your casts. So on and so forth.

Additionally, no, using Regen will not raise the probability of you being hit by attacks. It's always a random target that is not the tank (and in the case of Eruption, not in melee range), unless there are no applicable targets available, in which case it will go for the tank (or in Eruptions, melee).

As for OP, realize that HoTs cause threat, whether the person is at max HP or not. If you're using Medica 2, you're causing a HUGE amount of threat on yourself the second those Gnats spawn. Try to use abilities such as Medica and Cure until the Gnats have been picked up by the tank, and then you can begin using HoTs.

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Originally Posted by YanDere

Don't overheal (don't heal when HP is full) and don't use Regen. Regen is the most useless whm skill, I've never used it, not even with Garuda HM.
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This is exactly what NOT to do. Regen is the most useful spell whm has WHEN USED PROPERLY! i.e. regen on tank before pull or adds spawning is going to result in a bad time and prolly what this guy did so he completely avoids using it.

If you time regen properly it is the best spell whm has. Do not use Medica 2 unless its absolutely needed when shroud of saints is ready.