...that has been proven over time immemorial to be ripe for misuse and abuseQuote:
People: we want a tool to help us improve in the game we enjoy playing.
Read it again.Quote:
VelKanor: brings up irrelevant irl experiences and feelings that have nothing to do with the topic.
I learned about the history of Ghana, did some reading of Aristophanes and learned two new rice recipes. You?Quote:
Also, what new have you learnt today?
I dont need to illustrate behaviour that has been commonly observed over different games for the last what...ten years? If it can be abused and misused..it will be.Quote:
Also, please show examples of people harassing others over damage in savage/ex content. Oh wait, you don't do that content.
The reasons for no dps meters have been stated repeatedly. if you choose not to accept that, then thats your issue.
Didnt play 1.0.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shinkuno
Would you like an in-game parser?
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06-15-2023, 04:11 PMVelKallor
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06-15-2023, 04:45 PMMiracle_DivaIf you can't support your claim with an evidence, don't make that claim. Because so far, you're all talk and nothing more.Quote:
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The problem with anti parcer people that you hide behind the ToS when it comes to third party tools, but completely ignore it when it comes to harassment.
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06-15-2023, 05:08 PMSebazyThere's far more evidence to show that SE's existing ToS makes griefing people over their DPS just about the second fastest way to get banned, only coming in behind hurling slurs in /shout.Quote:
Originally Posted by VelKallor
However, a full bore ACT clone in game isn't the answer anyway as I genuinely don't think it would gain much traction outside of the console crowd.
Personally I'd much rather see a simple system that notes your average potency per second across the instance, compares it to a historic trend of others running the same instance on the same job and then generates an S to F style ranked score from that. Nothing specific, nothing numeric and shown to that player only.
It achieves a few key things without room for negativity or fear mongering, the key being that it dangles a carrot nudging people to try a bit harder, play a little better, something the game currently fails to do. It's ignorable and the point isn't to gate anything behind it. Plenty of people see a score and get the instinct to try and improve it and this is aimed squarely at them, plenty of people likely don't even realise they are playing awfully because the game won't tell them and other players aren't allowed to, again, this is aimed at improving that situation.
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06-15-2023, 08:23 PMVelKallorYour naivete is..amusing. In a sad kind of way . The fact that FF 14, Lost Ark, Tera Online , GW2 AND New World have ALL banned the use of dps meters should tell you something on its own. ESO in fact disabled their ingame dps meter some time ago.Quote:
If you can't support your claim with an evidence, don't make that claim. Because so far, you're all talk and nothing more.
They had one, it was abused and misused so it was REMOVED. Their API was also changed to make them unusable.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.co...-dps-hps-meter
Do we see a PATTERN here?Quote:
There used to be an addon that did this. It was stopped because it caused misuse and harassment. Was a long time ago.
I dont use any third party tools of any kind.Quote:
The problem with anti parcer people that you hide behind the ToS when it comes to third party tools, but completely ignore it when it comes to harassment.
Convenient isn't it?
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06-15-2023, 08:33 PMSaraideChronically incapable of adressing the arguement that harassment over bad dps is against ToS and therefore wouldnt fly even with an ingame dps meter. Even when quoting that direct point. Incredible.Quote:
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06-15-2023, 08:39 PMVelKallorDont be disingenuous, it doesnt suit you. DPS meters are an enabler of toxic, abusive behaviour. The fact that ESO had one and then REMOVED it says volumes.Quote:
Chronically incapable of adressing the arguement that harassment over bad dps is against ToS and therefore wouldnt fly even with an ingame dps meter. Even when quoting that direct point. Incredible.
So, tell me, why do YOU think it was that all these other MMOs have that one factor in common, hm?
Enlighten me why it is that all these other MMOS have THE SAME policy on dps meters.
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06-15-2023, 08:49 PMMiracle_DivaYou linked a thread from 2020 where some random player said something and it's not even official post. In a thread where someone else asks about how to set up parcer lmao.Quote:
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You are right, I do see a pattern here. But it's not about parcer nor harassment.
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06-15-2023, 08:51 PMSaraideToxicity festers when there is a lack of moderation. Toxic people will be toxic, regardless of which tool they use. It's GMs that keep them in check. The credible threat of punishment, which ff14 has, is what is holding toxicity at bay. Not the "lack" of dps meter.Quote:
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06-15-2023, 09:09 PMDPZ2Chronically incapable of addressing the argument that harassment over bad dps is exacerbated by official recognition of a tool that has been misused for the purpose of harassment over and over again in other games. Incredible.Quote:
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06-15-2023, 09:12 PMSaraideI literally adressed that in the post above.Quote:
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