The Monk Temple Reborn

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Originally Posted by Ossom

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i'de expect crit to be weighted higher now based purely upon us having a greater % of our skills that arnt guaranteed crit (shoulder tackle, elixir field, etc), as well as the increase in crit damage now.

i dont really see SS being viable though, because when we get enough of it that it will make a difference, then we are just running into the old TP starvation issue once more.

Det should still be good though, at a guess i'de say on par with crit, it was weighted so high during 2.X in relation to the others, i cant see it falling that hard now just because of the auto hit nerf.

also, i should probably make note that SS (and maybe crit now?) scales exponentially the more we have, Det on the other hand is the opposite.

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Originally Posted by Butcherboy

Wait so the critical chance got nerf?

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It didn't get nerfed, it's a kind of level correction applied on the character. Basically with 3.0 you start over because you don't want to reach things like 50-70% crit rate from a flat critical stat increase.

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Originally Posted by Zamii

Det should still be good though, at a guess i'de say on par with crit, it was weighted so high during 2.X in relation to the others, i cant see it falling that hard now just because of the auto hit nerf.

also, i should probably make note that SS (and maybe crit now?) scales exponentially the more we have, Det on the other hand is the opposite.

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I don't really see Det as a nerf. Look at the gear stats, det used to have a higher item budget, now it looks like it has the same item budget as the other secondary stats, meaning that while dps contribution per det is lower, we're getting more det in gear. Unless this is a bug, then... :S

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Originally Posted by Shorty

I don't really see Det as a nerf. Look at the gear stats, det used to have a higher item budget, now it looks like it has the same item budget as the other secondary stats, meaning that while dps contribution per det is lower, we're getting more det in gear. Unless this is a bug, then... :S

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we still get 3/4 of the det compared to the other stats, so the point is mute, it just appears that way because stats are higher in general.

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Originally Posted by Zamii

we still get 3/4 of the det compared to the other stats, so the point is mute, it just appears that way because stats are higher in general.

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How so? Looking at pre-HW and post-HW gear.

i180 chest:
Fending 69 acc; 48 spd (no det) total: 117
Maiming 69 acc; 46 det (low det) total: 115
Striking 66 det; 48 acc (high det) total: 114

dreadwyrm weapon:
staff 37 crt; 53 spd (no det) total: 90
bow 27 det; 53 crt (low det) total: 80
fist 37 crt; 38 det (high det) total: 75

Items with det now has almost the same total secondary stat values as items without. Previously, items with det has lower totals. So the item budget for det has decreased overall and we can get more det in gear now.

Det is still stronk.

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Originally Posted by Hakmatic

Det is still stronk.

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Like i said in your linkshell the other day, i think det/ss stacking will be the thing to do (unless SS is broken like it is for bards..)

It'll basically be Det/det stacking

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Originally Posted by Shorty

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I remembered looking at it thinking the same thing then convincing myself otherwise when i double checked, i really need to learn to triple check things apparently

question, how do you guys set up your bars? I often have a problem with monk making my thumb hurt having to move it so much...

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Originally Posted by MrSmiley

question, how do you guys set up your bars? I often have a problem with monk making my thumb hurt having to move it so much...

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for most new skills in heavensward, i just set up an extra modifier key (shift, alt, etc) to my mouse, that way my keyboard hand is still the same as ever.