Male Viera as a playable character! show your support

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Originally Posted by Crushnight

Side note Why is it that male Viera gets this kinda flack and not female Hrothgar/Ronso? both threads are just asking for the other side of their respective coins but its the male Viera thread that gets the constant pushback against it

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Probably because we are the bigger thread and therefor the bigger target. But I also think it might be that some of these people correlate people who want a more feminine male to those who throw a fit over representation (and I am talking about the toxic stuff you often see on tumblr) and think they can get the rise they want out of us. In reality we are not that and just average joes that want male vieras. I also think that perhaps, some of these people are a tad uncomfortable with the aspect of having a less masculine male in this game.

I have been reading and informing myself and it seems like the press itself is angry with this decision (there are a lot of articles about players not being happy with genderlock), there are players everywhere wearing male bunny ears as a form of protest(on Zodiark at least) and I don't even want to begin to talk about the comments they recived on other social medias for the anouncement of genderlock, so I think that we are actually a majority who want male viera, and not the minority most people who don't want it seem to say we are:cool::cool::cool:

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Originally Posted by Crushnight

I think it was the fact you came into a support heavy thread with an opposing view gave no ideas why you don't support and what you prefer would be allocated to so you posts sorta gave across in 2 ways
1. I don't want you to have what you are asking for because i want those resources allocated for what i want instead it sounds petty
2. Pointless they really added nothing can't discuss much with you about why you think that can't gain any supporters for what you want just sorta there

I just take your post in this thread as yea ok moving on at this point and no i don't think you were being toxic just meh

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Originally Posted by Mutemutt

I think just having an opposing view is enough to draw negative attention. It really wouldn't have changed anything if I was more detailed in what I wanted specifically.
1. I'm just being realistic. Resources are finite and I'd rather have them put elsewhere. It's nothing personal, but if some people see it as petty, I guess it can't be helped.
2. Wasn't really meant to add much to the discussion (in fact I kinda wanted to avoid most of it). I just felt I had to pipe up and let SE know that not everyone wants male viera before they get the wrong impression that "everyone" wants this.

Why this thread? Honestly, it felt the most appropriate at the time. I didn't want to create another thread like this one but focused on being against male Viera because that just feels really troll.

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Basically #2 of what Crush said. You come into the thread and just drop down a statement and add nothing to it to back it up why it was said, and instead just go with "I don't feel like going into my reasons." Then why speak up at that point? It can be misconstrued as trying to start shit or act toxic towards those who just want to see a promise upheld from 2.0 and an eagerly awaited race gender.

Now I will admit that I may have jumped the gun there with claiming you were acting on intentions of toxicity, which I can see is not true and I do apologize.

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Originally Posted by zeylos

I have been reading and informing myself and it seems like the press itself is angry with this decision (there are a lot of articles about players not being happy with genderlock), there are players everywhere wearing male bunny ears as a form of protest(on Zodiark at least) and I don't even want to begin to talk about the comments they recived on other social medias for the anouncement of genderlock, so I think that we are actually a majority who want male viera, and not the minority most people who don't want it seem to say we are:cool::cool::cool:

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Yeah, the anti-male Viera crowd are only throwing the phrase "vocal minority" around as a petty way to delegitimatize our opinion. They will call us a "vocal minority" no matter how untrue that is and then in the same breath say that "no one wants to see a bunch of male bunnies running around", implying there would be a ton of people changing to male Viera. So they can't even make up their minds on whether we are a so called "minority" or not. If anything, this thread has proven we are not a minority. They act like we're the ones being childish, and yes, a few pro-Viera people have been, but they want to pretend like most of us are. Really, I've seen most of the childish behavior coming from the anti-Viera side.

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Originally Posted by jake200135

Yeah, the anti-male Viera crowd are only throwing the phrase "vocal minority" around as a petty way to delegitimatize our opinion. They will call us a "vocal minority" no matter how untrue that is and then in the same breath say that "no one wants to see a bunch of male bunnies running around", implying there would be a ton of people changing to male Viera. So they can't even make up their minds on whether we are a so called "minority" or not. If anything, this thread has proven we are not a minority. They act like we're the ones being childish, and yes, a few pro-Viera people have been, but they want to pretend like most of us are. Really, I've seen most of the childish behavior coming from the anti-Viera side.

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In fact, I have never seen any subject get more attention than this. Its quite clear we want genderock removed as soon as possible. Let's not discard the possibility that (coming from a person who has worked in game development) there is plenty of time to remove at least one of the genderlocks before launch, but they would have to be fast, work hard and really smart, so maybe they remove the genderlock on one of the races (probably the most requested one) and thenn in a later patch (such as 5.1 or 5.2) they remove the remaining genderlock

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Originally Posted by jake200135

Yeah, the anti-male Viera crowd are only throwing the phrase "vocal minority" around as a petty way to delegitimatize our opinion. They will call us a "vocal minority" no matter how untrue that is and then in the same breath say that "no one wants to see a bunch of male bunnies running around", implying there would be a ton of people changing to male Viera. So they can't even make up their minds on whether we are a so called "minority" or not. If anything, this thread has proven we are not a minority. They act like we're the ones being childish, and yes, a few pro-Viera people have been, but they want to pretend like most of us are. Really, I've seen most of the childish behavior coming from the anti-Viera side.

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They're pulling that of a certain somewhere. Or the usual "but the JP crowd isn't so bothered about this." I'm not sure if that's true or not, but what does it even matter? The NA/EU playerbase is substantial - is it hard to believe that a highly anticipated race's male sex option would not be desired by at least a substantial enough minority (=$$$) for SE to rise up and take notice?

Also I really hope they make an official statement this week. It is getting quite annoying that they seem to have taken 6 days to write a letter saying: there will be genderlock removal:confused:

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Originally Posted by Lauront

They're pulling that of a certain somewhere. Or the usual "but the JP crowd isn't so bothered about this." I'm not sure if that's true or not, but what does it even matter? The NA/EU playerbase is substantial - is it hard to believe that a highly anticipated race's male sex option would not be desired by at least a substantial enough minority (=$$$) for SE to rise up and take notice?

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You know I am also tired of the argument of 'but the JP crowd' so what! If this doesn't bug them, then okay cool they have different standards. But these threads exist in the JP threads and I have a few friends that know Japanese that have stated there is a strong sense of disappointment. And that's another problem with the whole anti-Viera crowd who are trying to use the JP audience as a crutch to stand on. They show their disappointment different from us! But even then, NA and EU most likely bring in just as much as JP if not more subs at this point. So Square Enix cannot just sweep us under the rug as we are just a noisy group of players. What, because we don't freaking originate from Japan we suddenly have a less of a say on a game that we love and support? Screw that!

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Originally Posted by Lauront

"but the JP crowd isn't so bothered about this."

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Nonsese, to be honest. They look only at the fact that they have only one thread on forum and it's 13 pages which is "meh" for them I suppose. Meanwhile, JP forum isn't very active overall and their section is 5 time smaller than EN (DE and FR are nearly dead). So, looking at how much they usually write and how much likes posts there usually have I can say that JP community is bothered. But there is no any fights, they are calm and polite.

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Originally Posted by zeylos

Also I really hope they make an official statement this week. It is getting quite annoying that they seem to have taken 6 days to write a letter saying: there will be genderlock removal:confused:

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I personally would be dissatisfied with such a general announcement, and they would be wrong to release it without more details like at least a time frame. As Yoshida said and we're all aware of it, it's a massive undertaking. They'd need to allocate resources, be it from the team itself or backups SE would allocate, and those things take time to plan out internally, all the more so if they truly will receive outside help. And to get that, it means they need to properly put together all the feedback, all the data from people who already cancelled their preorders and their subscriptions, so they can come to SE higherups and say "look, this is already costing us money, help us fight this".

I should hope we'll get a statement along those lines during April, certainly before ShB itself is released. It would make sense for them to do so because then they can still enjoy some extra orders, be it from people rebuying it or just people who waited until after the Fanfests and now would think it's 'safe' enough to buy.
But anything less than that would be irresponsible of them.