What's your first impression of Eureka?

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Originally Posted by Vstarstruck

The NMs are brainless zerg rushes, it has no special mechanics.

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They technically do have mechanics, it's just now that people are level 20 (most? some?) and 3-5 magicites stacked into one slot, they're dying as fast as Hunt mobs.
NM's with the 'Thunderer' theme are comparable to the Hydra and Chimera Relic trials. The rest are comparable to dungeon bosses (low levels being mini-bosses and higher levels being final bosses)

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Originally Posted by ko_

He cares. But more importantly I think his entire point was my point from last week. That it's fair to say you're doing the same thing in dungeons/raids/etc etc as in there. Those don't REALLY bring anything new to the game. But they do, and so did Euerka. Was it good? don't know... as the percent here who hate it is still small. we don't know how hated or loved it is cause everyone in game is not on here to talk about it. So saying Euerka brought nothing new.. well dungeons raids and trials do the same thing. You do the dance, then do your rotation for the loots.

And if that's his point I get it. As you can't slam Euerka which actually DOES have 2 new features to this game and not slam everything else for being the same thing all the time. Does it need work YES! It seriously does. It needs alot actually if you want my actual opinion. But his point isn't invalid, that's kindof mean to tell him that when so far as I know he wasn't told you your point was invalid.

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It doesn't take a lot to prove that something isn't exactly the same. Even if you had two NM bosses that had no mechanics but just auto attacked for the same amount of damage, you can argue they're not objectively the same because they look different. Wow, that was hard. I don't think anyone is trying to argue that everything is exactly the same literally

EDIT: Let me expand on my point, as I'm not sure how clear it is looking back. How many people do you know say "Why do they even bother with two dungeons every other patch, they're all the same anyways, we might as well just get one or none." Compared to the amount of people that say "Eureka is the same as diadem" "all NM boss fights are the same" and so on. These people aren't saying that Eureka is actually diadem, or every NM boss is indistinguishable. If you have to argue against this position, you're literally not arguing with anyone, you're just talking.

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Originally Posted by HolyGlassofWater

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I get what you're saying, but to answer your last question. In that way no, BUT you do see people complain all the dungeons are just a line to the finish and they get boring. I just point out that saying Euerka brings nothing is false as it did bring 2 new completely new systems to this game. I'm not saying it's perfect and it does need more work to it. but to the people who complained it brought nothing I feel that line of thought is wrong. and it'll be the same saying all dungeons are the same. But that was my only point and what I think the person I qouted earlier was saying also. thanks for the reply. :D

Also I found a video that better expresses my thoughts. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QF29EvN9yc4&feature=youtu.be

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Originally Posted by Divinemights

No, don't tell them when you are getting way more protean crystals with proper party.
Also don't tell them that it is possible to get more than 1,300 protean crystals within 60 mins if you choose to do chain party instead of NM train.
Please also don't tell them that you are only need to do NM when you are working on relic armor.
This thread only allows one voice and one voice only.
If you are offering advise, you are labelled as Diadem 3.0 lover.
If you are explaining the mechanics, you are labelled as White Knight.
If you said you likes Eureka, apparently you are suffering Sunk-Cost Fallacy.

We also need not to remind them that the best way to show a game company that player base don't like a content is "not doing that content"
Please also not to remind them that only way to punish a subscribed mmorpg is un-subscribe like we did to Blizzard with WoD

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You can keep your protean crystals I dont need that many , you can keep loving diadem 3.0,no no even tho I state the bad mechanics, my avatar label me as a drk,no clue what sunk-cost fallacy mean but Eureka is bad & whatever you say, w/e it is, that content is poor.

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Originally Posted by HolyGlassofWater

It doesn't take a lot to prove that something isn't exactly the same. Even if you had two NM bosses that had no mechanics but just auto attacked for the same amount of damage, you can argue they're not objectively the same because they look different. Wow, that was hard. I don't think anyone is trying to argue that everything is exactly the same literally

EDIT: Let me expand on my point, as I'm not sure how clear it is looking back. How many people do you know say "Why do they even bother with two dungeons every other patch, they're all the same anyways, we might as well just get one or none." Compared to the amount of people that say "Eureka is the same as diadem" "all NM boss fights are the same" and so on. These people aren't saying that Eureka is actually diadem, or every NM boss is indistinguishable. If you have to argue against this position, you're literally not arguing with anyone, you're just talking.

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Then why do people keep insisting on saying "it's the same as xxx, that's bad", when they simply could say "I find it to similar too xxx for my taste"?
It just sounds like they try to speak like their personal views are presented as the truth when it's simply their own personal opinion.

Thus I think it's fair to fight subjective opinions disguised as objective facts with objective arguments. Even if that's as "easy" to do as proving that 1 is not equals to 1.01.

In short, don't try to fake it and make it looks right when it's extremely easy to prove it wrong. Simply play fair and swallow the pill of "what I'm saying is just my personal opinion and is as valid as any other", and express yourself accordingly. Agree to disagree.

Also, words have meaning. Don't say something you don't mean in the hope that people will actually understand your underlying statement. That's silly. It's not hard to speak clearly and use the right words. That's all I ask.
I have no shame in playing the "well, technically..." guy if people act like that.

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no clue what sunk-cost fallacy mean

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It's feeling like you have to commit to something because you already partly invested into it, even when you realize it's more advantageous to bail out, because the investment you already made would be "wasted" if you bailed.

Basically almost every time you hear a character in media say "I've come too far to turn back now", they're engaging in this.

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Originally Posted by Fynlar

It's feeling like you have to commit to something because you already partly invested into it, even when you realize it's more advantageous to bail out, because the investment you already made would be "wasted" if you bailed.

Basically almost every time you hear a character in media say "I've come too far to turn back now", they're engaging in this.

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Sounds like life TBH. lol.

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Originally Posted by Ruf

You can keep your protean crystals I dont need that many , you can keep loving diadem 3.0,no no even tho I state the bad mechanics, my avatar label me as a drk,no clue what sunk-cost fallacy mean but Eureka is bad & whatever you say, w/e it is, that content is poor.

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Do I looks like I care if you are doing Eureka or not?
lol
Advise is for those who still need Eureka, don't ticket yourself it.
Don't like the Eurkea, then don't do it

Hold on let me check this instance, right... still 143/144.
I guess there are people who still need Eureka

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Originally Posted by Fynlar

It's feeling like you have to commit to something because you already partly invested into it, even when you realize it's more advantageous to bail out, because the investment you already made would be "wasted" if you bailed.

Basically almost every time you hear a character in media say "I've come too far to turn back now", they're engaging in this.

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"Don't be committed to something just because you've spent a lot of time on it"

Or somewhat more accurately, "don't commit to a mistake just because you spent a lot of time making it"