Updated benchmark

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Originally Posted by Darkstride

Mine hasn't updated.

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Neither has mine, seems like it's going out in waves. Also, since my last post I realized you can do the same thing with the forum avatars. Right click and open the image in a new tab. The updated versions are much larger than the old ones.

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Originally Posted by SchwarzwaelderTorte

They already did, though.

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No one has had to fantasia yet. If they were to make updates that completely change eyes, lips, facial features again, it would require everyone to fantasia again and again and again. It's not happening.

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Originally Posted by DynnDiablos

No one has had to fantasia yet. If they were to make updates that completely change eyes, lips, facial features again, it would require everyone to fantasia again and again and again. It's not happening.

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The changes people are asking for are generally all subtle in reality, and would still keep whatever option somebody chooses in 7.0 as their closest equivalent (god help me think of a less confusing way to word this).
EXAMPLE: Your choice of upturned eye will still be upturned. Your choice of thick lips will still be thick. Etc. It's why the free fantasias aren't helping anybody who's unsatisfied.

It is extremely possible to make a character's impression closer to the original while keeping the updated form. Look at the changes between male Viera from Benchmark 1.0 and 1.1. They're not exactly the same as 6.58, but with the adjustments they received, there's significantly less people complaining about them now.

The results of adjusting to received feedback is less of a big deal than you think it is. A character will likely look better after receiving special attention; they'll just have a resting expression closer to the original.

Also, dude, you speak way too confidently when they've straight up shown and now said time and time again that they're listening to feedback and applying what adjustments they can with what little time they're currently afforded.

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Originally Posted by DynnDiablos

No one has had to fantasia yet. If they were to make updates that completely change eyes, lips, facial features again, it would require everyone to fantasia again and again and again. It's not happening.

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In a sense I don’t disagree with you, but the only things we know with certainty are what the devs have said directly. One thing they’ve said is that its their intention to keep to the original look and feel of everyone’s characters as much as possible. Another thing they’ve said is they plan to keep taking feedback and making adjustments post release. It’s not out of the question that we’ll see more face changes, and personally I hope we do. Preserving the look of characters people have become attached to for up to 10 years in a subscription based game sounds like something that might be a priority.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

In many cases I suspect that the people who like the updates are liking the overall vibe of increased textures while not noticing the finer details, and it's quite possible that the corrections being asked for would make the characters look even better in ways they hadn't realised were wrong.

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I noticed the finer details just fine and was quite pleased with them outside of an obvious bug. When the second benchmark released I discovered that a detail I really liked was completely removed because it was a little different from the original. That definitely did not look "even better," it looked worse. Now I'm nervous about what else is going to be made worse due to feedback, and I've seen some truly bizarre feedback on the face I use, so I can certainly empathize with others who feel that way.

I've seen a couple lodestone comparisons and the fact that mine has not changed during downtime has been soothing to say the least. I don't want to post anyone without their permission, but the resting eyes (primarily pupil position) do not look the same on Au Ra at all. It's like night and day.

Edit because SchwarzwaelderTorte made an important point:

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Originally Posted by SchwarzwaelderTorte

I'm very sorry to tell you this but it's because it hasn't been updated yet (go back a few pages and you'll find how you can check).
I'm still waiting for mine to update too, not really sure how the priority works.
I would be very careful with that kind of statement. (as I've already explained a while ago to someone who shall not be named to spare us all another headache)

You can't really draw conclusions on how different regions work, because we all only see a small fraction of a much bigger community, and within that small fraction you have extremely different ways of interacting with the forums, or social media and what the algorithm gives you etc.

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What I was trying to say was not "the other side definitely thinks X" but rather that the devs take in feedback from many different communities who may or may not think differently from each other. So whatever happens is not just the result of the English speaking forum.

I did convey it very badly though since I made a lot of speculative assumptions I can't verify.

Old post for the sake of transparency:

I think one point that should not be forgotten in this whole discussion is that the Japanese side (and many other language communities) of the player base has (/have) also given a lot of feedback. And from what I remember (but please correct me if I'm wrong), their feedback on the forums during the 1.0 benchmark was a lot more damning than ours. It seems like there were some open calls to just flat out cancel the update.

I don't know if it has changed with 1.1 but it's important to keep in mind that different regions seem to have different opinions on the character changes (JPN was/still is(?) rather dissatisfied whereas the English speaking side seems to be rather mixed.)
And there also seem to be different opinions on certain aesthetics (not sure if this is true but I read that the JPN side preferred the sharp look of female Au Ra whereas Korean players preferred the new cute version).

All in all, the entirety of the feedback is very diverse and goes beyond what happens in our discussions, so whatever gets changed or ignored is not just based on our corner's feedback.

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Originally Posted by lunartears

I've seen a couple lodestone comparisons and the fact that mine has not changed during downtime has been soothing to say the least.

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I'm very sorry to tell you this but it's because it hasn't been updated yet (go back a few pages and you'll find how you can check).
I'm still waiting for mine to update too, not really sure how the priority works.

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Originally Posted by Loggos

I don't know if it has changed with 1.1 but it's important to keep in mind that different regions seem to have different opinions on the character changes (JPN was/still is(?) rather dissatisfied whereas the English speaking side seems to be rather mixed.)

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I would be very careful with that kind of statement. (as I've already explained a while ago to someone who shall not be named to spare us all another headache)
You can't really draw conclusions on how different regions work, because we all only see a small fraction of a much bigger community, and within that small fraction you have extremely different ways of interacting with the forums, or social media and what the algorithm gives you etc.

EDIT to add: To develop on that last point, the Japanese forums have had negative experiences of EN players barging in, asking questions, and then going back on the EN forums to say "see? they agree with me!" when it's impossible to make that kind of conclusion based on a small number of replies. I've seen the incident mentioned several times on their side so it seems to be something worth keeping in mind.

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Originally Posted by SchwarzwaelderTorte

I would be very careful with that kind of statement. (as I've already explained a while ago to someone who shall not be named to spare us all another headache)
You can't really draw conclusions on how different regions work, because we all only see a small fraction of a much bigger community, and within that small fraction you have extremely different ways of interacting with the forums, or social media and what the algorithm gives you etc.

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Yeah this is a good point. Maybe I should edid/update the post (I'll leave the original in place though for transparency). The point I wanted to make was less "the other side definitely thinks X" but rather that the devs take in feedback from many different communities who may or may not think differently from each other. So whatever happens is not just the result of the English speaking forum.

But thank you for pointing out the problem with my post, I appreciate it!

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Originally Posted by SchwarzwaelderTorte

I'm very sorry to tell you this but it's because it hasn't been updated yet (go back a few pages and you'll find how you can check).
I'm still waiting for mine to update too, not really sure how the priority works.

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I've admittedly been checking to see if it has changed quite frequently, so in my case it's more like a "calm before the storm".

I picked up on some characters changing immediately after the game went down so I think it really is entirely random.

Tbh I’ve been checking the images a lot as well, keep wondering if face 4 femra’s lower-lip-shading-turned-lip-injection was changed (at this point I personally don’t really mind the new enlarged lips, but there are people who do for good reasons, and I loved old lips more than I’m okay with the new ones, so it’s worth looking out for xD)
Having options would really solve a lot of disagreements

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Originally Posted by antylamon

Tbh I’ve been checking the images a lot as well, keep wondering if face 4 femra’s lower-lip-shading-turned-lip-injection was changed (at this point I personally don’t really mind the new enlarged lips, but there are people who do for good reasons, and I loved old lips more than I’m okay with the new ones, so it’s worth looking out for xD)
Having options would really solve a lot of disagreements

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I've been looking a lot at ppl with updated face 4 femras as well, and to me it looks like they indeed did try to make them more similar to current, so I'm feeling pretty hopeful that my lizard will look more like herself than she did in the benchmark.

That being said, it would be nice if the benchmark versions were available as additional options for people who did like them. Same goes to the change they made to Au Ra pupil sizes since I know people are divisive on the change as well.

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Originally Posted by AvaloniaFallen

I've been looking a lot at ppl with updated face 4 femras as well, and to me it looks like they indeed did try to make them more similar to current, so I'm feeling pretty hopeful that my lizard will look more like herself than she did in the benchmark.

That being said, it would be nice if the benchmark versions were available as additional options for people who did like them. Same goes to the change they made to Au Ra pupil sizes since I know people are divisive on the change as well.

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That’s very gratifying to hear! Aaa this is really making want to play ;__;

Yeah, even if it’s not a full CC rework (that might be even harder to do than the graphics update lol), just having more options using the same interface as the current ones would be cool (more combinations too!)

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Originally Posted by LastAges

EW (left) | DT benchmark (right)
https://i.ibb.co/jZzhBPK/ffxiv-04152024-113110-585.png

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Took me a hot minute to find this post again but this user has the updated model, and if you go to the original post and look at their icon, the mouth looks much more similar to the current one instead of the benchmark one. It's a little surprising they didn't mention further changes based off of user feedback in the 7.0 patch notes.

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Originally Posted by AvaloniaFallen

Took me a hot minute to find this post again but this user has the updated model, and if you go to the original post and look at their icon, the mouth looks much more similar to the current one instead of the benchmark one. It's a little surprising they didn't mention further changes based off of user feedback in the 7.0 patch notes.

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oh wow oh wow you're so right, that looks so much better!

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Originally Posted by AvaloniaFallen

Took me a hot minute to find this post again but this user has the updated model, and if you go to the original post and look at their icon, the mouth looks much more similar to the current one instead of the benchmark one. It's a little surprising they didn't mention further changes based off of user feedback in the 7.0 patch notes.

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Its because then you would have people thinking x race is getting preferential treatment and you would have people being like "WELL WHAT ABOUT MY HYUR! or MY ELEZEN!" either way...happy for you guys. I like type 4 au ra and their lips did look kinda messed up....now to see what face 4 players will complain about next!(jk but I know there will still be more complaining) because lips was for sure the biggest complaint I seen from them and it was pretty much all over the JP thread.
Tbh...I only defended the changes but the only thing I ACTUALLY want changed is to make the philtrum less prominent. It looks ugly.

If anybody is interested, one of my alts has been updated (it's really random, because many others haven't been) and that's what she looks like.

She is face 4 but I don't remember her exact settings anymore.

I'm not sure if the mouth has been changed after 1.1 in her case. It still seems to have this round "lip filler" look to me, esp. the lower lip? It's a bit hard to tell given the quality.

Either way, I hope it can provide a first glance for those interested.

Image:

https://img2.finalfantasyxiv.com/f/b...jpg?1719526155

And here is my viera.

New:

https://img2.finalfantasyxiv.com/f/c...jpg?1719526224

Old:

https://i.imgur.com/eIufhkt.png

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Originally Posted by AvaloniaFallen

Took me a hot minute to find this post again but this user has the updated model, and if you go to the original post and look at their icon, the mouth looks much more similar to the current one instead of the benchmark one. It's a little surprising they didn't mention further changes based off of user feedback in the 7.0 patch notes.

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You are right, there is quite a difference, I took the liberty of making a really quick comparison. Considering the OG poster was upset about the lips I hope they feel a lot better about it now, the lip shape appears much closer to the original.

https://i.gyazo.com/e5c93cb481a76439...c7b3d789a1.png

It will be very interesting to see how things turn out with Early Access tomorrow in terms of what else has changed since 2nd benchmark.

As the poster of the old "graphics update isn't ready, please make it optional" thread I think it's important to understand that while we might be unhappy about changes, we are not unreasonable. I was mostly satisfied with my character (m!Viera face 3) after the benchmark was updated, so naturally I stopped complaining. It is really that simple, if your feedback is heard and addressed, you will be happy with it. I hope more people will be pleasantly surprised when they log in tomorrow.

fingers crossed the returned the F miqo'te face 4 lip gap!!

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Originally Posted by Roda

fingers crossed the returned the F miqo'te face 4 lip gap!!

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God I’m praying with all I have.

Encouraging to hear they're still fine-tuning based on feedback!

There aren't as many people that post for Face 2 Miqo'te but I still hope they adjust the eyebrows.

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Originally Posted by Cheapshot

God I’m praying with all I have.

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Your icon updated and by gods am I squintin'
(it might be there!!)

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Originally Posted by Roda

Your icon updated and by gods am I squintin'
(it might be there!!)

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https://i.imgur.com/Jcp7Mlo.gif
It's tiny but no, it looks to me like they made no further adjustments since the benchmark. It looks so uncanny and strange to me. My characters whole vibe is different. That's depressing. They got my hopes up with the talk of further adjustments since the benchmark. They turned my character from a tomboy into a doll.

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Originally Posted by Cheapshot

https://i.imgur.com/Jcp7Mlo.gif
It's tiny but no, it looks to me like they made no further adjustments since the benchmark. It looks so uncanny and strange to me. My characters whole vibe is different. That's depressing. They got my hopes up with the talk of further adjustments since the benchmark.

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It's really nuts to me how much they changed the whole eye shape too. They're not even tilted at the same angle lol.

some of y'all are really getting the microscopes out to critique some of this.

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Originally Posted by Racen

some of y'all are really getting the microscopes out to critique some of this.

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If your character looks bad or “off” to you, then how else are you to figure out why than looking closely? Enlighten me. Feedback that just says “I THINK IT LOOK BAD!” Doesn’t seem very productive afterall.

There was discussion recently that we should set up a new thread once the game comes out. I have created it here:

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...ion-megathread

Quick final comparison. Benchmark vs EW. Bottom picture is in game now.
https://i.imgur.com/AeIkdAj.png
https://i.imgur.com/foD5xqK.png
While there's still differences, the subtle changes to the mouth really do go a long way to making her infinitely more recognizable to me/less cursed.
https://i.imgur.com/tsEoEVm.pnghttps://i.imgur.com/iMT1A9j.png
All in all I'm happy with the current update and am glad that my character no longer looks like she eats bees for fun.

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Originally Posted by AvaloniaFallen

Quick final comparison. Benchmark vs EW. Bottom picture is in game now.

While there's still differences, the subtle changes to the mouth really do go a long way to making her infinitely more recognizable to me/less cursed.

All in all I'm happy with the current update and am glad that my character no longer looks like she eats bees for fun.

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Wow she looks great!!

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Originally Posted by PaulusHamsteru

Here's a comparsion pic of my character. They completely changed his face and I hate it.
https://i.imgur.com/7r7eFup.jpeg

Full size pics : https://imgur.com/7r7eFup

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Looks almost identical, but the nose is certainly different, the bridge is thinner/concave (a nose really can change the look of a face so hopefully the revert it)