Airship Guide

so, no sector 23 and 24 ?

Yea i'm stuck at 22 also. Anyone out there got past 22? or is that cap right now?

For those asking about sector 23 and 24.

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Originally Posted by Roth_Trailfinder

That table in the first post was made without knowing exactly how many sectors there are. It would have been sheer luck if he's made 22 sectors in the table and there were 22 sectors. Originally, the table undershot the number of sectors. Its no surprise at all that in adding the few needed to account for sectors not initially there he overshot the total number of sectors.

That said, they may be adding more sectors with 3.1, 3.15, or 3.2 - we don't know.

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The only thing I'll say on that is there appears to be two land masses unaccounted for...

The island right next to 18 and then the upper right hand corner.

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Originally Posted by Magistrella

Nope - you only can't send out ships when a component is at 0% - if its even at 1%+ you can send it out and get another trip done ^^

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I thought that sending an airship with low durability components to multiple sectors in a trip could lead to the things breaking down partway through, causing the trip to have poorer results. Did I imagine that?

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Originally Posted by Dezwaan

The only thing I'll say on that is there appears to be two land masses unaccounted for...

The island right next to 18 and then the upper right hand corner.

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TBH, the island in the upper right looks very much like the open exploration area for 3.1 with that vertical spire

http://i.imgur.com/iZhWOaz.jpg

The 24 sectors in the first post table was not just an arbitrary number, I don't think. I remember reading somewhere that datamining showed there were 24 sectors to explore. Personally, I'm still stuck on 22, but have started exploring some of the earlier sectors with higher rank/stat ships, just in case SE made SC23 discoverable from SC02 or something like that...

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Originally Posted by fynnn

I thought that sending an airship with low durability components to multiple sectors in a trip could lead to the things breaking down partway through, causing the trip to have poorer results. Did I imagine that?

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I've had plenty of A or B runs with ships parts breaking down midway - if there is a difference we would need a whole new column of people entering % before and after trips, and all for something that probably doesnt affect anything. I still believe it works like many other things in this game, the second you commence something the outcome is already determined - best example: Fishing - the fish you get and its quality is set the second you throw out your hook, not the second it bites. aka: You send out the ship and your rewards are already determined - you just get them after the timer runs out.

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Originally Posted by jnseagul

The 24 sectors in the first post table was not just an arbitrary number, I don't think. I remember reading somewhere that datamining showed there were 24 sectors to explore. Personally, I'm still stuck on 22, but have started exploring some of the earlier sectors with higher rank/stat ships, just in case SE made SC23 discoverable from SC02 or something like that...

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Wrong! The creator of the Garland tools website mentioned on reddit when the question appeared, that there are only 22 sectors in the game at the moment. The only reason 24 sectors are shown on the main post, is because the template for the images that are used have room for 6 sectors each.

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Originally Posted by Mholito

Wrong! The creator of the Garland tools website mentioned on reddit when the question appeared, that there are only 22 sectors in the game at the moment. The only reason 24 sectors are shown on the main post, is because the template for the images that are used have room for 6 sectors each.

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Also, a multiple of six was a logical guess since there are six generic crafting mats that cycle in the same pattern.

And there are 6 unique items, so if each appeared 4 times, there would have to be 24 sectors. However, they don't each appear 4 times, it turns out. Far Eastern Coins only drop in two sectors, Toy Box Schemata drop in five, Iron Giant Cores drop in five, Shrub Seedlings drop in three, Fine Alumen drop in three, and only Mognificient Mogdeliers drop in four.

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Originally Posted by Mholito

Wrong! The creator of the Garland tools website mentioned on reddit when the question appeared, that there are only 22 sectors in the game at the moment. The only reason 24 sectors are shown on the main post, is because the template for the images that are used have room for 6 sectors each.

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I stand corrected (Garland Datamining table). For some reason I remembered datamining showing 24, but maybe I was just hoping that there was more to explore than what I've already discovered...

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Originally Posted by Magistrella

I've had plenty of A or B runs with ships parts breaking down midway - if there is a difference we would need a whole new column of people entering % before and after trips, and all for something that probably doesnt affect anything. I still believe it works like many other things in this game, the second you commence something the outcome is already determined - best example: Fishing - the fish you get and its quality is set the second you throw out your hook, not the second it bites. aka: You send out the ship and your rewards are already determined - you just get them after the timer runs out.

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That would make sense, and believing it would save me a ton of money on dark matter clusters. I'll do it your way until I see some real evidence that midway breakages effect results. Thanks!

Getting Dark Matter Clusters is very easy though.

If you haven't gotten it yet, the distance for sector 22, from home is 43.

http://puu.sh/ktvbN/138da0cca0.png

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Originally Posted by RiceisNice

If you haven't gotten it yet, the distance for sector 22, from home is 43.

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All the distances are in the spreadsheets.

In Bonzai's absence, I will be updating the graphics in the OP.

The sector graphic in the OP has been updated to reflect what we currently know. Please let me know if you see any further errors!


EDIT: And yes, I know the Grade II materia is missing, but it's so rare that I don't think it's even worth putting there...

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Originally Posted by Shadowsun

Getting Dark Matter Clusters is very easy though.

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If anyone didn't know, More Doughnuts makes cluster farming easy. The unspoiled nodes have seven slots taken up so the clusters will always be slot 8, so you can use King's Yield II for 15 clusters every 15ish minutes. That slot can have unaspected crystals as well but you probably need those with an aetherial table anyway.

Sea of Clouds - Sector 17, 18, 19 - Requires Surveillance Level 90

We lost our omni crafter, so we been a bit behind on airship parts. I just ran into this today.

Anyone know what each set of level 3 FC actions give? I've gt enough for one set, want the one with teleport costs in it.

Aetherial Wheel Prototype V - Red Cluster - Gathering EXP, Crafting EXP, Companion EXP, Increased Wolf Marks, Increased GC seals, Increased MGP
Aetherial Wheel Prototype VI - Blue Cluster - Increased gathering, perception, craftsmanship, control
Aetherial Wheel Prototype VII - Green Cluster - Gear wear, Food duration, Teleport fees

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Originally Posted by mayonnegg

Anyone know what each set of level 3 FC actions give? I've gt enough for one set, want the one with teleport costs in it.

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I wanted reduced teleportation costs as well and knew it took deep green clusters, so I unlocked the middle one, figuring that would be the green one (since the sectors are always in R G B order), and was rather upset to find out it was the Blue set (crafting/gathering stat boosts) instead >_< So, the top one is Red, the middle one is Blue, and the last one is Green. That means:

Aetherial Wheel Prototype V (Deep Red Clusters)

• Recreation (Increased MGP gain)
• Rivalry (Increased Wolf Mark gain)
• Company (Increased GC Seal gain)
• Productivity (Increased exp from gathering)
• Industry (Increased exp from crafting)
• Longeing (Increased choco exp)

Aetherial Wheel Prototype VI (Deep Blue Clusters)

• Efficiency (+ Crafts)
• Precision (+ Control)
• Capacity (+ Gathering)
• Observation (+ Perception)
• Dedication (Increased spiritbond speed)

Aetherial Wheel Prototype VII (Deep Green Clusters)

• Pilgrimage (Reduced teleportation costs)
• Nutriment (Increased food duration)
• Permanence (Decreased durability loss)

EDIT: Ninajed :P

I think most FCs will find teleport reduction not worthwhile. Some napkin math: if you teleport 20 times per day and each teleport costs 1000g, you'd only be saving 3k (I think it's 15%, does anyone know?) per person with those generous numbers. Compare that to saving 1 food (if you eat at least 3 end game food per day at 5k-20k each). Even if you don't raid and don't need end game food, just outright selling the deep green cluster may be worth more than the collective savings from teleport buff if clusters are selling on your MB. They're about 170k on my server, but even at 100k each, you'd need 900 people to make up for the cost of 9x clusters. There's also the opportunity cost of that action slot to consider.

I think for very large FCs full of leveling characters, the teleport buff may be worthwhile for gil savings (but leveling FCs should run xp up and stat up, even if they're only rank 2). But outside of that, you're likely to get a better return from selling the clusters.

If you get Recreation, do you get more MGP for selling cards and collecting Mini cactpot prizes?

Yes on mini cactpot, no when selling cards (according to ServerCollaps' post). It also works with the Cactpot (consolation) prize

Is there any way to obtain more favourable ratings? Most of my airships ratings are B and C.

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Originally Posted by Yaichiro

Is there any way to obtain more favourable ratings? Most of my airships ratings are B and C.

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The Rating that shows is just the amount of bonus exp you get. And most of the time its just showing the rating on the last sector you visited. So don't worry too much about it ^^

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Originally Posted by Yaichiro

Is there any way to obtain more favourable ratings? Most of my airships ratings are B and C.

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The Rating that shows is just the amount of bonus exp you get. And most of the time its just showing the rating on the last sector you visited. So don't worry too much about it ^^

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Yea, the rating itself is not the important part as it's an arbitrarily assigned letter, but the bonus exp that you get can influence the rating (namely on the last sector visited I think is what people's voyages suggested?). If you were wondering how to increase your bonus exp, you want to increase your retrieval stat (and also maybe surveilance stat?), as your ship gets more exp for bringing back larger quantities of items.

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Originally Posted by TechnoTechie

Yea, the rating itself is not the important part as it's an arbitrarily assigned letter, but the bonus exp that you get can influence the rating (namely on the last sector visited I think is what people's voyages suggested?). If you were wondering how to increase your bonus exp, you want to increase your retrieval stat (and also maybe surveilance stat?), as your ship gets more exp for bringing back larger quantities of items.

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Its not just the quantities but as well if you get dual items and what winds show up. But then you can get high winds optimal retrieval on both items and still get an Abysmal (Which rates as C and gives no bonus exp) in the end... so, meh rng is rng ^^

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Originally Posted by PotatoTree

If you get Recreation, do you get more MGP for selling cards and collecting Mini cactpot prizes?

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it doesnt work for cards

Do I have to do anything specific to unlock Sector 13, 14 & 16? I have 11 & 12 unlocked and have been doing them with a Full Enterprise Build and I haven't unlocked anything beyond Sector 12.

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Originally Posted by Jade-Nephrite

Do I have to do anything specific to unlock Sector 13, 14 & 16? I have 11 & 12 unlocked and have been doing them with a Full Enterprise Build and I haven't unlocked anything beyond Sector 12.

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sacrificing a lalfel might help

its all down to rng

This might have already been asked, but can I not send more than 2 ships out to 50+ zones? I've got my first and second in sector 18, but it won't let my 3rd go to 17+. It's definitely level 50, Invincible II all apart fron an Enterprise forecastle. Plenty of tanks too.

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Originally Posted by mayonnegg

This might have already been asked, but can I not send more than 2 ships out to 50+ zones? I've got my first and second in sector 18, but it won't let my 3rd go to 17+. It's definitely level 50, Invincible II all apart fron an Enterprise forecastle. Plenty of tanks too.

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To be sure, it is 90+ surveillance? I think the ent fore with I2 parts would make it dip just below the minimum. Disclaimer: its early and I'm just getting my coffee.

EDIT! Yeah brain works! You should have 86 surveillance with that setup.

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Originally Posted by Yaichiro

Is there any way to obtain more favourable ratings? Most of my airships ratings are B and C.

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The letter grade shown is just based on the sector rating you received from the last sector you visited. Abysmal = C or B, Substandard = B or sometimes A, Satisfactory = A or rarely S, Decent = S or very rarely SS, Outstanding = SS. Only the last sector matters for the letter. But, as others have said, that letter means/does nothing.

But, if you do want to get higher letter grades for some reason, there are two things you can do. First, your per-sector rating goes up on average as your Favor stat goes up. Second, your per-sector rating goes down as you visit later sectors. Your best chance to get an SS rating would be to visit sector 01 last with a Tatanora Forecastle. Your worst chance would be to visit sector 16 with a Bronco Forecastle, or sector 22 with an Enterprise Forecastle (you need at least 90 surveillance to visit sectors 17-22). So either raise your Favor, or go to earlier sectors, or both.

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Originally Posted by Jade-Nephrite

Do I have to do anything specific to unlock Sector 13, 14 & 16? I have 11 & 12 unlocked and have been doing them with a Full Enterprise Build and I haven't unlocked anything beyond Sector 12.

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Sectors 13 and 14 unlock from 11. Sector 16 unlocks from 12. Other than that, it's pure RNG.

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Originally Posted by mayonnegg

This might have already been asked, but can I not send more than 2 ships out to 50+ zones? I've got my first and second in sector 18, but it won't let my 3rd go to 17+. It's definitely level 50, Invincible II all apart fron an Enterprise forecastle. Plenty of tanks too.

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Switch the Enterprise to another part - i'd suggest Rigging, you wont notice the speed much but all other stats climb to or over 100~

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Originally Posted by Jade-Nephrite

Do I have to do anything specific to unlock Sector 13, 14 & 16? I have 11 & 12 unlocked and have been doing them with a Full Enterprise Build and I haven't unlocked anything beyond Sector 12.

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Spill the blood of lala maidens and use it to paint on your airship.

Besides that: Good luck with RNGesus! :/

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Sea of Clouds 01        371        831        1        1        180        13        0        0        0        0        7416
Sea of Clouds 02        615        800        1        1        180        13        0        0        0        0        7416
Sea of Clouds 03        156        800        4        1        180        13        0        0        0        0        19467
Sea of Clouds 04        787        834        7        1        180        13        0        0        0        0        32630
Sea of Clouds 05        492        720        10        2        360        13        0        0        0        0        53089
Sea of Clouds 06        334        653        14        2        360        13        0        0        0        0        71749
Sea of Clouds 07        587        645        17        2        360        13        0        0        0        0        82762
Sea of Clouds 08        516        544        20        3        540        13        0        0        0        0        102243
Sea of Clouds 09        380        493        24        3        540        13        0        0        0        0        122364
Sea of Clouds 10        721        629        27        3        540        13        0        0        0        0        140162
Sea of Clouds 11        185        567        30        4        720        13        0        0        0        0        162062
Sea of Clouds 12        906        642        34        4        720        13        0        0        0        0        184287
Sea of Clouds 13        202        434        37        4        720        13        0        0        0        0        204310
Sea of Clouds 14        77        689        40        5        900        13        0        0        0        0        236593
Sea of Clouds 15        103        348        44        5        900        13        0        0        0        0        261553
Sea of Clouds 16        886        445        47        5        900        13        0        0        0        0        284329
Sea of Clouds 17        721        335        50        6        1440        13        0        90        0        0        0
Sea of Clouds 18        540        371        50        6        1440        13        0        90        0        0        0
Sea of Clouds 19        248        234        50        6        1440        13        0        90        0        0        0
Sea of Clouds 20        421        141        50        6        1440        13        0        90        0        0        0
Sea of Clouds 21        556        208        50        6        1440        13        0        90        0        0        0
Sea of Clouds 22        663        105        50        6        1440        13        0        90        0        0        0

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1,2 - coordinates for the sector, i.e. sector 1 is at (371,831) with (0,0) being the top left of the map

3 - rank required

4 - ceruleum barrels required

5 - unadjusted time for survey

6 - 'Distance for Survey' displayed (did they forget to update these values?)

7 - ??

8 - surveillance required

9 - ??

10 - ??

11 - xp gained

time for survey (in minutes) = floor(unadjusted time for survey * 70 / speed)

time to destination ≈ distance(current, destination) * 60 / speed

I can't seem to get the exact formula for travel time. They round somewhere in the middle of the calculation and/or the multiplier isn't exactly 60. Without an accurate formula, I wasn't able to get an accurate coordinate for home.

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Originally Posted by eossylim

They round somewhere in the middle of the calculation and/or the multiplier isn't exactly 60.

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They seem to do that for appraisals too lol. I think it's best to assume there's a rational number somewhere that we don't actually get to see, but everything that's displayed based off of it comes out rounded into an integer.

You might be able to work backwards using the assumed formula to try and estimate it anyway using in-game time values. One idea (now that we have coordinates for each sector) might be to use the time *between* sectors (instead of from home -> sector, using distance formula between sectors) as a basis to figure out a more accurate value and/or formula.

The time formula is in my main post (third one in the thread). We've had it for a while. The survey formula just behaves very similarly to the Travel formula. 12600*barrels/speed = survey time in minutes. Except, the sectors that use 6 barrels use 8 instead as the barrel number. This is reflected in the data you posted - the values are all 180*barrels, except for the last set which are 180*8 instead of 180*6. The coords they are using are kind of annoying, because the fake home sector isn't at (0,0) or anywhere else obvious. It might be at (400,1000), but it's hard to tell.

If you run the distance formula on their numbers, SC01 -> SC02 is listed by the game as 12, and Lauphin Faux's coordinates give it a real distance of sqrt((-5.827 - 6.84)^2 + (4.999 - 6.587)^2) = 12.7661518. Using their numbers and the distance formula, you get sqrt((371-615)^2 + (831-800)^2) = 245.96137908. This is multiplied by some constant and then divided by speed to get the time in minutes. Let's compare the two formulas:

(245.96137908 * X) / SPEED = (12.7661518 * 1150) / SPEED, solve for X
X = 12.7661518*1150/245.96137908 = 59.688, round up to 60.

So, yes, you're exactly correct with how the game does it. However, those coords are annoying. :P


A few notes and guesses about the fields:

1,2 = Coordinates, but to get the Range consumed by a trip, you need to divide the distance value by 20, and to get the Travel Time, *60/speed

5 = Survey Time multipler (Survey Time (in minutes) = multipler*70/speed)
6 = Survey Distance (extra Range consumed by a visit to the sector)

7 = Favor, Retrieval, or Speed required (this is a guess)
8 = Surveillance required
9 = Favor, Retrieval, or Speed required (this is a guess)
10 = Favor, Retrieval, or Speed required (this is a guess)

It wouldn't make sense to have a sector require a specific Range, since that's already used as a limiter to visitation. It would be weird for max range to be a thing, but the others make sense. The values for fields 6, 7, 9, and 10 are all the same for all sectors because they're set up to allow room for expansions to utilize those values. This shows that the code is already in place to do so when a new sector is added.


I will point out though that posting datamining stuff to this thread may get it locked down. They generally don't like it when people post datamining data, since it's explicitly forbidden in the ToS.



EDIT: My math puts the "Home" sector at about (483, 927) using their numbers.

Oh, what I meant was I uh...counted the pixels on the sector map after applying an arbitrary scale to arrive at those coordinates.

While getting the approximate coordinates of home is just a matter of collecting enough data points, I didn't want to post one that was extrapolated based on an inaccurate travel time formula. I'd like to get the exact values the game client uses.

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Oh, what I meant was I uh...counted the pixels on the sector map after applying an arbitrary scale to arrive at those coordinates.

While getting the approximate coordinates of home is just a matter of collecting enough data points, I didn't want to post one that was extrapolated based on an inaccurate travel time formula. I'd like to get the exact values the game client uses.

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Just as a note, you DO have the exact travel time formula the game uses. You're just not rounding down at the right points if your numbers aren't exact. Remember that the game always rounds down, and does so often.