A Little Pain with my Pleasure

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Originally Posted by schism

I love how ppl seem to think WoW is some kind of masterpiece. It's as casual as you can get with no difficulty whatsoever. Once again that popular vote will prevail and make the babies happy and possibly another junk mmo release because all ppl want is WoW mechanics. I loved old school FFXI but thats just me I'm not saying I want another FFXI but I have my fingers crossed that they will bring in some new ideas of "their own".

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I love how people think that all of WoW is piece of baby cake.

I remember numerous fights more difficult then both FFXIV and FFXI (minus Absolute Virtue/Pandemonium Warden - 18 hour boss fight is crazy lol)

Then someone will say "but items are way harder to get in FF "blah"" and I will say yeah but in WoW you are constantly updating your set because blizzard is out dating it.

WoW isnt a 'perfect' masterpiece but it is definitely got a lot of proof of concepts (in terms of financial success it is the masterpiece of MMO's- but gameplay is subjective).

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Originally Posted by schism

It's as casual as you can get with no difficulty whatsoever.

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You have never done 25 man heroic raiding have you?

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Originally Posted by schism

I love how ppl seem to think WoW is some kind of masterpiece. It's as casual as you can get with no difficulty whatsoever. Once again that popular vote will prevail and make the babies happy and possibly another junk mmo release because all ppl want is WoW mechanics. I loved old school FFXI but thats just me I'm not saying I want another FFXI but I have my fingers crossed that they will bring in some new ideas of "their own".

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I love how people on this forum conveniently ignore the fact that WOW had a user-selectable difficulty gradient.

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Originally Posted by Wolfie

I also love how FFXI players like to lord it over others that they're so much better at PVE than anyone else, and people who die to bosses or have to practice are bad players.

I'd love to see what your achievements were like if you ever played WOW, because surely you must have been raiding with Method.

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Lol Method.

Uh oh! An MMO war. Almost as serious and necessary as a console war.
Better step back before someone's feelings get smudged!

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Originally Posted by Gramul

Uh oh! An MMO war. Almost as serious and necessary as a console war.
Better step back before someone's feelings get smudged!

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I think one of the problems is that we are all stuck playing the game regardless of which direction it turns out SE will take. So realistically, one side is bound to be disappointed and if I had to guess I'd wager it's going to be us older FFXI players. A death penalty isn't a bad thing (to me), but whenever players get it in their mind that something is inconvenient, outdated or pointless they tend to not want it or use it regardless of how it adds to the game to have it implemented.

Seems SE generally is adopting a model similar to games like WoW wherein players want to have an easier road to achievement. Note that I didn't say all difficulty is gone, just the path to success is more....streamlined? Whereas in FFXI you could be working on 10 aspects to your character and only accomplish maybe one of those in a year.

Having played WoW, FFXI and FFXIV I could use anecdotes to describe how PVE in XI was a great deal more taxing than in WoW or XIV but it fostered the community. If XIV is going to take the WoW'ish route, group parties for exp will likely be non-existent again so I hope the raids and quests are good enough to bring us all together.

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Originally Posted by Gramul

Uh oh! An MMO war. Almost as serious and necessary as a console war.
Better step back before someone's feelings get smudged!

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This. I could except there would be more MMO war complains in beta forums. =_=

If it does then I probably won't play beta that much and enjoy anything else.

I love how this suddenly turned into a game comparison thread.

As said in one of my later posts last night, and as mentioned in a few other people's recent posts - I can deal with not having an EXP penalty as long as the weakness / death penalty gets buffed somewhat. In 1.x, I didn't care if I died or not, and gear damage isn't even worth mentioning.

Let me correct that for you:

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Originally Posted by PimCarb

This may have been discussed recently; I have not found a post lately though. Why not bring back abandon entirely now and forever the loss of experience with death. I know it REALLY was not a popular attribute to FFXI. It did do some interesting things to game play It harmed gameplay by destroying efforts to progress, wasting everyone's time. People did not tolerate people not performing in parties and made these people suffer for it. People would help you get better Insult you and blame you for wasting their time, make you feel miserable and threaten you and your loved ones. Also that lovely awful delving sound. I know it hurt to loose experience. I would rather not lose experience than paying and pay to fix my gear. It also set FF apart from other games as I do not know of another that had the loss of exp. It is just one of those things I look back on and miss praise the Twelve for its removal.

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lol that edit just reeks of bitterness. I couldn't address it if I wanted to. Anywho, I think it's normal to compare and contrast different MMO's when discussing stuff like this. After all, SE is doing the same thing to create it.