8.0 speculation

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Originally Posted by Cilia

Additionally, one thing that was mentioned is that the aetherial state of the reflections affects other reflections as well as the Source; the Thirteenth becoming the Void (heavily Dark aspected) predisposed the First to Light.

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Where has this actually been said, besides the Ascians convincing Cyella to go along with their plans?

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Originally Posted by Iscah

Where has this actually been said, besides the Ascians convincing Cyella to go along with their plans?

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I honestly don't remember where, when, or who I heard it from, but I do remember hearing this in-game.

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Originally Posted by Cilia

I honestly don't remember where, when, or who I heard it from, but I do remember hearing this in-game.

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You may be roughly recalling Ardbert's description of the First back in 3.x, and then accidentally fudging some details. It's also worth remembering that even the info Ardbert (and later Cylva) got is suspect, though, because it came from Elidibus being deliberately manipulative; we cannot trust they had accurate information, because we know they were being lied to about other things.

I think I'm a lot less trustful of Halmarut's whole spiel for seeing this in a very similar space. The game generally approaches including characters who are deceitful by having trustworthy members of the core cast actually recognize that they are; Elidibus, Teledji, Emet-Selch, and even Venat for a short period were all marked by the Scions (and in Teledji's case a couple others too) as people we shouldn't necessarily be taking at their word, even if they don't know the whole truth. So the fact that Halmarut has only ever shared scenes with Calyx makes it hard for me to believe her, because none of our usual 'lie detectors' have gotten a bead on her. She's in a similar state to pre-Shadowbringers Emet right now, and we definitely didn't know how to read him until the Scions first got to react to him directly.

So... with the trailer can we know stop pretending that the key isn't related to Azem and that the new official title of the WoL will be the "Wanderer" isn't a clear reference to Azem ?

Everything is linked to the previous Azem, and I refuse to think they made all that without making of Azem the "key" for saving the reflections.

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Originally Posted by Zackneifein

Everything is linked to the previous Azem, and I refuse to think they made all that without making of Azem the "key" for saving the reflections.

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If that was its purpose, RIP to those seven it failed to save (or eight, in an alternate timeline that we cannot access but still exists)

Are any other starving Roegadyn fanatics a itty-bitty-bit perturbed?

Where does this leave us? X'D

(I realise Viera somewhat had this thematic divorcing also, to a lesser extent. But they hadn't been waiting...)

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Originally Posted by eloralora

If that was its purpose, RIP to those seven it failed to save (or eight, in an alternate timeline that we cannot access but still exists)

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Well, that make Azem not an all-knowing God, simply someone that prepared something hoping it could help.
Or simply that unfortunatelly, for the WoL and all the circonstances allowing the end of the Meteion crisis, it had to happen.

I still don't fully trust The Key. It's too much power.

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Originally Posted by eloralora

If that was its purpose, RIP to those seven it failed to save (or eight, in an alternate timeline that we cannot access but still exists)

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History as far as we can observe it is fixed from our trip to Elpis until we return, so no timeline we can observe occurs where the previous rejoinings do not happen. Bootstrap paradox and whatnot.

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Originally Posted by RagAndBoneLady

Are any other starving Roegadyn fanatics a itty-bitty-bit perturbed?

Where does this leave us? X'D

(I realise Viera somewhat had this thematic divorcing also, to a lesser extent. But they hadn't been waiting...)

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Limsa is very much "the Roegadyn city," much like Ul'dah is heavily focused on Lalafell and Gridania is the Elezen city (despite being led by a Hyur mutate).

Surely the Roegadyn ancestral homelands being offscreen can't be worse than having them be turned into a Tactics derivative plotline? /s

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Originally Posted by RagAndBoneLady

Are any other starving Roegadyn fanatics a itty-bitty-bit perturbed?

Where does this leave us? X'D

(I realise Viera somewhat had this thematic divorcing also, to a lesser extent. But they hadn't been waiting...)

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Though I'm more of a Hellsguard enthusiast than a Sea Wolf, I did deflate a bit at seeing the obvious Nordic inspiration for the Fourth. I was kinda hoping we'd see something like that in Aerslaent eventually.... But it wouldn't be the first time they double up on inspiration, after all Ronka and certain Turali civilisations share with each other aesthetic.s