Don't do chaotic raid again

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Originally Posted by Voidmage

Right now you start to get ilvl lockouts (poor me stupidly bought the wrong upgrade item) because people realised that the enrage is not as forgiving as it seemed in streamer videos with their bis gear.

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Just wanted to refute this point. There are logs of clears with over 21 deaths and over 70 damage downs. That seems pretty forgiving to me.

Although a casual player that is working towards becoming more advance by playing Savage and these type of fights, where I see the failure is this.. SE offers these challenges to those players that want and like harder content while ignoring the casual players.. EW relics are a casual content that I will never forgive them for. I have or am working on ALL of the relics from all the expansions.. It's great content in between patches, but SE wants to take the grind away, and offer one fight... We don't even have relic weapons so far in this patch, not even a beginning of one, so that tells me it will be a lazy way of getting them again...

Add more harder content to the game, yes, but don't forget the casual players that pay you a monthly sub to grind and take our life frustrations out in a game.. Don't just make everyone one, two three, rinse and repeat..

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Originally Posted by Menriq

Just wanted to refute this point. There are logs of clears with over 21 deaths and over 70 damage downs. That seems pretty forgiving to me.

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And what was the average ilvl in those runs?
Was it people in bis or 725 at minimum?
That doesn’t say much without that info just that it is salvageable.

It also doesn’t refute my point because I said that it is not as forgiving as people THOUGHT.

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Originally Posted by CNitsah

Or the whole deep dungeon being limited to 2 saves, strongly limiting the possibility to just pick up the content on the fly, yet still continuing with that for Eureka Orthos, which ended being dead after a couple of weeks.

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EO was dead on arival because you needed to get to floor 100 to get a weapon that's on-par with the Extreme weapon.
For HoH and PotD, you only needed to clear floor 30 (50 for PotD) and it was still on-par with EX, PotD even got updated with another weapon for the next patch's EX trial's IL when you cleared floor 100 (of 200).

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Originally Posted by Voidmage

And what was the average ilvl in those runs?
Was it people in bis or 725 at minimum?
That doesn’t say much without that info just that it is salvageable.

It also doesn’t refute my point because I said that it is not as forgiving as people THOUGHT.

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Objectively asking, in what content do you think 21 deaths and 70 damage downs in the same fight and still not dying to enrage is anything but forgiving? Like, how much more forgiving does it have to be for it to be considered "as forgiving as people THOUGHT"?

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Originally Posted by Menriq

Objectively asking, in what content do you think 21 deaths and 70 damage downs in the same fight and still not dying to enrage is anything but forgiving? Like, how much more forgiving does it have to be for it to be considered "as forgiving as people THOUGHT"?

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Deathcob says hi. Try telling me that Chaotic is harder than UCOB.

People were thinking that it would be as forgiving as the dalriada.

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Originally Posted by LibitIncarne

Deathcob says hi. Try telling me that Chaotic is harder than UCOB.

People were thinking that it would be as forgiving as the dalriada.

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Being serious, but I'm not sure what you are saying. Are you saying people though UCOB would be as forgiving as Dalriada? Or that UCOB is forgiving? Because if you can show me a UCOB log with the same thing as Chaotic, then I would say yes, UCOB is very forgiving as well.

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Originally Posted by RulerOfPotaoes

Gatekeeping sucks, but it seems to be absolutely necessary for what's supposed to be a stepping stone difficulty content. You need to have cleared the previous step first.

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This so much... if youre 100 and still run jobgear + NQ crafted, your food is still orange juice (if any at all) AND dont have any idea of stack, spread and light parties... just start with something else.

Nah, chaotic is fun and this is the point of blind prog. Everyone will eventually get things down and it will a breeze. Your loss if you stop doing it.

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Originally Posted by Voidmage

And what was the average ilvl in those runs?
Was it people in bis or 725 at minimum?
That doesn’t say much without that info just that it is salvageable.

It also doesn’t refute my point because I said that it is not as forgiving as people THOUGHT.

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We're at the point in this raid tier where you can upgrade your crafted gear with infinitely farmable tomestones and get 730 tomestone gear with the alliance raid coins or infinitely farmable hunt currency.
There is literally no reason to not be 720+ when stepping into the chaotic 24man besides "I couldn't be bothered, teehee".