DPS/Healers pulling in dungeons

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Originally Posted by TaleraRistain

And everyone keeps saying "Just try it". Why don't the dps and healer just try adjusting to their party's needs for a change? Maybe they'll find out that going by smaller groups makes the dungeon go just as fast as larger ones. With a party that can melt mobs either way, there's no appreciable difference in time spent taking them in small versus large packs.

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130 x 3 /= 130 x 8 or do people really really believe small pulls do not increase clear time. Not even getting into buff alignment across packs being all out of whack when tanks baby pull. Bard songs wasted on three mobs > dancer fan procs > summoner summons > dragoon ogcds > etc.

Pull to the wall then gauge the group. The moment the tank single pulls I assume we are gonna single pull sally all dungeon and mentally switch off. Know friends do the same thing followed by one loud audible sigh into watching something on second monitor.

The healer is too busy losing their mind and the deeps just waited fifteen minutes to get here for half of a level if lucky.

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Originally Posted by TaleraRistain

How is a tank's pull size them dictating anything? They go grab some mobs, some healer or dps thinks it isn't enough and goes and grabs more without even saying anything. The one dictating in that instance is the dps or healer. Plus lots of tanks will do an initial small pull to gauge the party's capabilities.

And everyone keeps saying "Just try it". Why don't the dps and healer just try adjusting to their party's needs for a change? Maybe they'll find out that going by smaller groups makes the dungeon go just as fast as larger ones. With a party that can melt mobs either way, there's no appreciable difference in time spent taking them in small versus large packs. If a party is going slower on small packs, that party wasn't going to be able to melt big ones anyway.

Again, if this is a team based game, then why aren't we encouraging cooperative and compromising behavior and shoring each other's weaknesses up like you'd find in a real team situation?

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I think they're saying if the 3 (healer and 2 dps) wanna go faster, then it's 3 against 1 in that scenario that wanna go faster. If the single tank wants to go slower, then they are dictating the speed for the other 3 that wanna go faster because they don't wanna big pull. If it's the other way around, then I suppose that's where I'd make an exception to go slower because it's the majority that wants to go slower.
In which case I'd agree; if it's 3 against 1 to wanna go faster, I believe the tank should at least give it a go and try; if all else fails and the party wipes, then you can adjust accordingly afterwards.

Daily reminder that 'You Pull, You Tank' is pure Maidenless Behavior.

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I think people just need to communicate better. Instead of dps/healers pulling, why not just politely ask the tank if he's okay to go with larger pulls?

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Originally Posted by Maxilor

Daily reminder that 'You Pull, You Tank' is pure Maidenless Behavior.

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Daily reminder that crying about not having the tank taking aggro from you is pure Maidenless Behavior.

it's not a big deal, getting up in arms over a DPS who pulled a pack is pretty ridiculous. AoE and move on. Be annoyed or w/e, vent to your friends or w/e but at the end of the day getting angry enough to grief a party over it is pathetic.

none of this needs the moralizing people do. it's a videogame. none of this matters to someone who's well adjusted.

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Originally Posted by Broken_Wind

As someone who likes tanking dungeons I've noticed a trend, at least on Materia, of DPS and Healers deciding to pull.

This can be in the form of using a ranged attack on an enemy I haven't reached yet (waiting to get into melee range for an AoE). Or if I pause for 3 seconds after a boss to take a drink of water, by the time I put the bottle back down the DPS has run off

I am not talking about the case where the tank only pulls one or two packs and the healer is encouraging to pull more by bringing a few friends. This isn't a small packs vs wall to wall issue.

I don't remember really ever seeing this on NA/JP DCs but maybe that's changed too?
Is this something players on other DCs are seeing?

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This has been going on for years. As I see you are new. Its considered rude if your a DPS and Healer and Pull and don't bring it to the tank. What many PC users don't understand if your using a gamepad a simple Provoke is pointing on clicking on a mouse and keyboard on a gamepad its cycling the gamepad sucks at cycling unless you're using the D-Pad Up and Down to heal in which healing is a great on a gamepad.

AOE works very well on the tank but depending on the damage output to the mobs well your pulling AOEing can cause you to lose certain mobs.

So as a tank and there has been threads about whether this is right or not, but if someone pulls and refused to bring you to the mob let that person die. Bottom line when your in a battle and a DPS pulls and runs away due to them getting hit big time if you run to save him you might direct the other mobs you have directly on another DPS or even the healer.

The DPS is a pawn in the game and they can be killed and brought back without a problem, but the party is screwed if the healer and tank losses.

Two friends and I did Duty finder with me as a WAR and them as DPS.
I am just picking up WAR again after my post-Stormblood hiatus, so I was cautious on pulls.
The Healer we picked up wasn't cautious and proceeded to lead the charge.
Maybe I could have been annoyed, except ... he or she made it work. :)
My friends and I laughed a lot on Discord.

It's just a game. I don't let stuff like that bother me.

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Originally Posted by Scaramouche

Daily reminder that crying about not having the tank taking aggro from you is pure Maidenless Behavior.

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Unless i'm misunderstanding this is griefing, the tank not doing their role intentionally?

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Originally Posted by Reimmi

Unless i'm misunderstanding this is griefing, the tank not doing their role intentionally?

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I have a lot to learn as a tank so if you pull I will assume

a) Its a more efficient way to deal with the dungeon for you to tank I'm yet aware of.
b) You want to tank.

If you pull for me because you trust me capable of handle your mess then I'll repay you by trusting you are able to deal with it.

If you ask me to pull more I'll do it. But if you don't state your intentions I can only make assumptions.