"Everyone's so open and friendly" is a lie

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Originally Posted by Rinhi

people were having a civil discussion about various aspects of the community and experiences of it, but apparently that was worth removing? nothing that was said by anyone that took part in it was against the rules, there was no name calling, no one was insulted, people were just writing their experiences and/or observations down
though, one could certainly argue that one of the mentioned aspects of the community is either very report happy when directly mentioned or worse, the moderation wants people to not talk about it a la reddit

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It is a bit funny isn’t it? That one of the very things mentioned in this thread ended up occurring? XD it’s like a fulfilled prophecy.

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Originally Posted by Rinhi

people were having a civil discussion about various aspects of the community and experiences of it, but apparently that was worth removing? nothing that was said by anyone that took part in it was against the rules, there was no name calling, no one was insulted, people were just writing their experiences and/or observations down
though, one could certainly argue that one of the mentioned aspects of the community is either very report happy when directly mentioned or worse, the moderation wants people to not talk about it a la reddit

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I don't know that I'd say it was completely civil, there's a lot of disingenuous posts in this thread, from people saying how bad the community is and people saying the community has no issues.

The reality is that people on the forums are much more vocal and opinionated than people in game, and most experiences in game will be positive. Very few members of the community visit outside of game media, so their impressions tend to be on the positive end. Hence all the "Wow, the XIV community is great" posts you see on places like reddit.

As I said before, the communities opinion on itself is like reviews. Peoples viewpoints will trend the impressions one way or another, and XIVs is seen as mostly positive.

There seems to be a lot of people on here who think anyone having a positive view of the game/community/devs are white knights or shills or w/e, and there is another subset who think anyone who dislikes the game apparently came from WoW and should leave.

Both groups are equally terrible to deal with.

The community is only nice to you until you go against the mainstream opinion or God forbids, be disappointed with the devs. It's more obvious in community outside the game (reddit, Twitter, etc). But I've also encountered rude players that can't take any criticism against them or the game, at all, when playing. And gods, the amount of passive-aggressiveness is way off the chart.

If I were to use example, I would say this community as a whole is like Gridania. Cheerful and peaceful on the surface, but beneath it not so much.

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Originally Posted by Escalon

A just throw something in, I just got a "Official Warning due to Violation" for Point 3.3 Profanity and Offensive Language. It states today was the day of the offence, but I played a bit in the morning where I did run 2 or 3 Dungeons NOT saying anything all 3 runs. Now I log in and i'm being told I broke some rules. The last time I used profanity was about 3 or 4 weeks ago in PVP where I used foul language because people were literally throwing an win and it was extremely frustrating to watch.

Not toxic ? Bull...This games is full of "snowflakes" and OH GOD IF YOU DARE SAY SOMETHING MEAN!
I'm literally stopping talking to ALL players in the game. Not gonna risk my account because I might hurt some ones feeling. But hey, knowing SE I will be reported for being too silent too and they ban me anyway.

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Why would not talking help when you just said you didn't talk this morning, but still somehow committed a violation?

Did you lie about not talking? And if you did, what else are you not saying regarding your violation? Maybe it's not the "snowflakes," but it's you who are being toxic with respect to your choice of word/phrase.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

The reality is that people on the forums are much more vocal and opinionated than people in game, and most experiences in game will be positive.

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Yeah, this is a weird phenomenon.
Personally, I haven't had too many bad experiences in game either, and people I know on NA DCs are having a good time, too.

I believe it has to do with burnout. Some people are just jaded after a long time of XIV, and they don't follow YP's advice of taking time off and playing something else. They cling to XIV despite being unhappy, then take it to the forums.

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Originally Posted by linayar

Why would not talking help when you just said you didn't talk this morning, but still somehow committed a violation?

Did you lie about not talking? And if you did, what else are you not saying regarding your violation? Maybe it's not the "snowflakes," but it's you who are being toxic with respect to your choice of word/phrase.

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No, I literally did not talk to anyone in game that morning, I rarely talk in dungeons. Im not in a FC either.
I meant the stopping talking to all players even outside of dungeons, its not worth the risk of loosing my account by accidentally hurting someone's ego. (what a shocker, I sometimes enjoy talking with random people)

And Yes, I'm honestly absolutely confused why I got that warning. Thats why I said the last time I legit was using foul language was in frustration 3 or 4 weeks before in a Frontline match.
I should add, before you say I was hurling abusive words left and right. I said exactly 2 sentences with 1 swear word each.
If I would get a warning for that, I would not say a thing since it would be warranted.

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Originally Posted by Escalon

I should add, before you say I was hurling abusive words left and right. I said exactly 2 sentences with 1 swear word each.
If I would get a warning for that, I would not say a thing since it would be warranted.

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... maybe stop swearing? Considering this isn't voicechat and you have to type out everything, I'd say there is ample time for proofreading what you're saying before it hits other peoples screens.


Maybe I'm a slow typer. Maybe I just don't have the same vocab. But I've never found it hard to not swear.

congrats on being the one person in the world who somehow never gets frustrated in their life?

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Originally Posted by Rinhi

congrats on being the one person in the world who somehow never gets frustrated in their life?

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Is this directed at me?

Who says I don't get frustrated?

I just manage to interrupt the "FIRETRUCK" before it goes all the way through from brain to fingers to enter key. I'll even swear out loud. I'm just wondering how people whack out swear words in text and seemingly have absolutely no chance to stop it before blamming that out.

EDIT: What do you do when dealing with say.. children? Children are notoriously frustrating to deal with, but are also generally not OK to swear around (kids learn new words really fast! especially if you don't want them to and they LOVE words that get reactions), so what do you do in real life when you get frustrated but are not allowed to or just shouldn't swear?

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Originally Posted by Krotoan

Is this directed at me?

Who says I don't get frustrated?

I just manage to interrupt the "FIRETRUCK" before it goes all the way through from brain to fingers to enter key. I'll even swear out loud. I'm just wondering how people whack out swear words in text and seemingly have absolutely no chance to stop it before blamming that out.

EDIT: What do you do when dealing with say.. children? Children are notoriously frustrating to deal with, but are also generally not OK to swear around (kids learn new words really fast! especially if you don't want them to and they LOVE words that get reactions), so what do you do in real life when you get frustrated but are not allowed to or just shouldn't swear?

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Well to your edit not everyone wants kids and avoids them. So honestly its easy just avoid and do your own thing.

Also to add onto what I have said there are things that prevent that. When your having mood swings, manic episode even when you take your meds people poking at you.

Sometimes things dont enter my brain at all I type/talk with my heart often times not even knowing what I type until I press enter. When your angry rush typing is to be expect as well.

I believe this is the issue is people dont seem to realize not everyone writes, creates or types with logic or brain running it some or more emotion based which is a huge difference. Some people also are more sensitive than others.