Mordion Gaol is a bad system

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Originally Posted by Nothv13

What is nice in one circle may not be in another. You cannot know what is and isn't unless informed of what it is. This is why everywhere but public opinion they let you know exactly what you are being punished for or charged with. Not simply "You violated this rule". They Point out exactly what you did to violated said rule. It is literally the only way one can learn from their mistakes.

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When someone is annonymously reported to their university for cheating, (for example), the university does not tell the person reported what exactly they did, because they KNOW that while not everyone is going to do this, the sheer RISK of someone going out of their way to verbally harass/attack/etc. the person they perceive as doing the report. They'd say "you cheated in this class on this test" and that's it. However, something akin to that applied to OPs situation would be "you said this in this dungeon run". Unfortunately that is WAY too specific because now OP would have only 3-7 people to figure out who did the reporting. From there it's easy to narrow down. It's happened to my boyfriend on a different game.

So instead of them giving enough information for you to *find* the person, they give you *just enough info* for you to begin watching what you say and do - that's ultimately what they want for first time offenders, really. No cursing, and no OBJECTIVELY offensive content - we're not talking about people taking personal offense to the color purple or something, but slurs, sexist denigrating comments, cussing, and obviously offensive stuff. Past that, it's up to the discretion of the individual, and if you personally feel you've said something offensive, apologize immediately.

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Originally Posted by Vickii

No swear words aren’t always indicative of anger management. They’re also often indicative of immaturity. There aren’t too many reasons why an intellectual well tempered adult would choose these words to get any point across.

But regardless I just can’t understand why you need the right to potentially offend others in a family oriented video game. This isn’t a free speech issue, it’s more akin to why puppets on kids tv shows don’t drop swear words.

Let people have nice things without bringing them down to your level.

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I do love how you now equate intelligence to whether someone says a mean word as though the two have any correlation. If we're going to be technical, they're literally words people decided, arbitrary, are bad. Once a upon a time, "hell" and "damn" were classified worse than the f word. Funny how as people became less religious, both have largely become "normal" nowadays.

Regardless, you're incorrect. FFXIV is rated "T" which outright warns of language. Furthermore, they expressly say online interactions are not rated. Therefore, comparing it in any way to a kids TV show doesn't compute. It's youngest audience are not children.

I would also like to put out the irony of petty personal insults technically breaks the rules. In fact, you even said "I just can’t understand why you need the right to potentially offend others" only to follow that up with "Let people have nice things without bringing them down to your level." Which is, technically, offensive. Or can be taken as such. See the problem with nebulous and inconsistent rules and how easily they can be interpreted differently?

If I was to get put in the GM prison, I would know exactly for what and why. If breaking the ToS is a normalized part of someones behavior, I assume that's when they can't tell exactly why they are in jail.

Don't agree with being thrown in jail and told off without being told specifically what you did wrong. "You know what you did" is not good enough, because no, you might not know. For all you know some banter in say chat offended someone and boom you're in the gaol. And especially people shouldn't be getting penalised for things outwith the game, streamers getting bans for chatting about a player is ridiculous to me. They're policing twitch now on top of their own game. So many people in this game come across as so soft skinned and report for the tiniest of things. The selective way in which some people are and aren't warned/banned is also irritating. One player had her entire FC harassing another person and not a thing was done to them at all. But say a no no word in a game that references rape and also says those SAME bad words in its dialogue? Oh no no no. Ban for you. Not as if there is a profanity filter or anything. Ludicrous, if you don't want to see bad language, put on the filter.

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Originally Posted by Nothv13

I'd say the people getting offended by profanity, which funnily enough the use of has a positive correlation with being honest according to some studies and others show a increased pain tolerance from swearing. There is also no actual evidence of harm from profanity. In the end though, they are just words deemed by puritans of the past as bad or offensive

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thats great and all, chief, but if you go to someone's house or place of business and they ask you not to use profanity while you're there, and you get caught dropping swears, you shouldn't be surprised when they kick you out.

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Originally Posted by DamianFatale

Errrr.. strong stance? I wouldn't say so. If it were that strong, I feel like a LOT of people would be banned more often. You honestly rarely ever hear of it.

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Apparently based on the comments and people who ve been here longer it seems that there has been more complaints from people who got banned that way so it seems to me they are doing a good work, I mean since i ve come here I ve seen a far better and friendlier community and that has a lot to do with SE known 0 tolerance on toxicity stance that almost no western game has (They say they do, they never enforce their tos outside of few cases that get out of control and can hurt their image, who can be bothered paying GMs to monitor bad behavior in the west after all xD)

And that is seen as a great positive for this game because even before I joined this game I heard how much better the community is and also read some complaints coming from certain more edgy "lol I throw insults and slurs as banter" gamers TM about how strictly enforce their policy and how they are victims, and if these people complain then it is a good thing for the rest of us that want a healthy and positive game.

If the feeling you described in the first post is genuine and not some attempt to get pity for bad behavior then the system is working even better than I imagined because that psychological feeling you explained is going to teach the person who broke the rules that breaking the rules has serious consequences they have to suffer directly.

And no, a GM wouldnt choose to sent you in jail because you said something innocent that only happened to offend some person who might get offended by obscure things, you said something offensive that can be seen as offensive by the majority, now if you choose to surround yourself with edgy people who dont think saying bad things is bad and you ve also adopted this mentality I would suggest trying to expand the kinds of people you talk to.

It's a shame to see the forums haven't changed one bit. For what it's worth, it's nice to see some people bring up some of these issues, and I hope you don't let the people trying to suppress your opinion discourage you, OP.

Let's not forget the foundation of the game we all play and love is based on criticism. Instead of being quick to cast judgement on a fellow player, we should at least hear them out before condemning them with a black and white label.

Fun fact: Mordion Gaol is similar to real world Japanese jail.

• They can take you in and keep you for up to 23 days without charge, without even telling you why you're there.
• Punishment will come randomly, without warning or idea about the timing. (eg waiting for years for death penalty to be carried out, never knowing when it will hit)
• You can be denied information and/or access to the outside world.

Not saying what you did is comparable to a real-world crime, but this should give you some mindset to how the Japanese treat "lawbreakers". In other words, you have no rights and are entitled to nothing.

I hope you take 2 things from this experience:
1) Actions have consequences; you are ultimately responsible for choices you make. (eg. you can decide to drive 10 over the speed limit like everyone else, but don't go crying when somebody actually pulls you over for it)
2) However much money you put into this game, it is not nearly enough for them to hesitate to ban you.

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Originally Posted by Raskbuck

It's a shame to see the forums haven't changed one bit. For what it's worth, it's nice to see some people bring up some of these issues, and I hope you don't let the people trying to suppress your opinion discourage you, OP.

Let's not forget the foundation of the game we all play and love is based on criticism. Instead of being quick to cast judgement on a fellow player, we should at least hear them out before condemning them with a black and white label.

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This wasn't "quick to cast judgement" or "black and white labels". They were put in a gaol for offensive language. A GM already "sentenced" them, for lack of a better word. This isn't like people are forming opinions based on an accusation. OP got busted for breaking a rule, and people are allowed to have opinions on it. Including opinions that you don't agree with.

Though a lot of these posts were also people trying to explain to OP how to interact with strangers to avoid it happening again, with a bunch of people coming in and saying "how can you even know how to be civil towards strangers". Read the whole thread instead of thinking you're some saviour for the OP, cheering for them because everyone is being so unfair.

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Originally Posted by Doozer

This wasn't "quick to cast judgement" or "black and white labels". They were put in a gaol for offensive language. A GM already "sentenced" them, for lack of a better word. This isn't like people are forming opinions based on an accusation. OP got busted for breaking a rule, and people are allowed to have opinions on it. Including opinions that you don't agree with.

Though a lot of these posts were also people trying to explain to OP how to interact with strangers to avoid it happening again, with a bunch of people coming in and saying "how can you even know how to be civil towards strangers". Read the whole thread instead of thinking you're some saviour for the OP, cheering for them because everyone is being so unfair.

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For the record, I did read all the whole thread, and my comment wasn't directed at anyone in particular. If I touched a nerve and you felt identified with it, then I don't know what to tell you.

As much as I'd love to engage in a petty discussion to see whose ego is bigger, I think I already said my piece and I stand by it.