Can we please put Coils of Bahamut in normal raid roulette?

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Originally Posted by Noitems

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Well, now you have officially met one of the players who don't see it this way for the solid reason of as soon as I hit the log in button to this game that I am putting time aside for any content that comes my way. I don't care if its Party Finder or Duty Finder, I just roll with it. And you know what's funny? I have met too many other players who're exactly the same. This coming from a player that is not apart of FC or has a fully-loaded friend list.

I mean should I just start assuming that everyone against Coil in roulette is all the bad players that you guys are ranting on about? Should I just completely ignore the amount players that I have run into that stuck around and even encouraged us all not to give up in all the harder content I've attempted sync and unsync?

I mean statics are nothing but a bunch of randoms that come together, get used to one another and clear content. Part Finder is also a bunch of randoms, that come together, possibly form friendships, and tackle content. Both scenarios involve you finding randoms to complete content. Before your FC was even a thing, you had to invite randoms to it, get closer to one another, and form groups for whatever content. I don't know about you but there's a whole lot of statics, party finders and FC that show there are a lot more competent players in this game then you think.

At some point, those very people will have to queue solo into the content they want to do. And apparently, it's becoming breaking news around here that these very people stop to explain mechanics. They encourage people not to give up. They stick around for almost an hour to see it through. They cheer right alongside us when we get our clears. And even if we fail, some of them go as far as to say we can form a party finder, sync it, and keep trying until we get it. Do you know what makes that even more interesting? This is where people start singing praises about this community being the best community they have ever been apart of. From those of us who came from other MMOs we've experienced every type of community out there and for me this is one of the better ones. Not the best but it's up there.

People who want to attempt and clear harder content is there. People who always set time by for whatever roulette throws at them are also there. Ready and willing, they are the last people to drop out. The last ones to complain and the first ones to make a joke to lighten the moment and encourage people to stay.

It's like I'm playing this game in some weird unspoken FC that all are welcomed to and those who missed that invite are here complaining about Coil being too hard for that massive FC to tackle. Most of you sound like you're apart of an FC or static that most likely got started by you all teaming up with randoms and those randoms showing you they can game right with you. I didn't need a static or FC to see that I can game with them or that they game with me. We just game. If we fail, oh well, try again. If we nail it, YAAASSSS!!!

But at least after reading this thread, I can see why people have given up on asking for harder content. It's not the bad players that are preventing it entirely. It's the people being ruled over by bad players that are stopping it the most.

We're fine with hard content (why else would they make Extreme, Savage and Ultimate content? Heck, the NieR raids, while pretty easy, are kinda doing away with telegraphed AoEs), it's just that after a long day of work (or family reunion), the last thing anyone wants to deal with is T9, T11, T12 and T13 in a roulette. Maybe even T2, since that has Allagan Rot (and that mechanic returned kinda recently in Guardian Savage, so it's not something the casual player has experienced) and I doubt most newbies know about the enrage strat.

I've brought this up with a few FC mates and they said they'd probably stop doing Normal Raid Roulette altogether (probably didn't help that one of them was currently doing Expert Roulette and one of the DPS they had was doing less damage than the SCH).

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The way some people are speaking about DF here makes it sound like it's impossible to clear even o12n or e4n in the duty finder, all while overhyping the mechanics of massively nerfed fights like T6. Fights like T9 are definitely not clearable on the duty finder, but there's no reason to keep them at that difficulty level, given that they're ancient, its impossible to experience them as they used to be (classes have been majorly changed since then), and a new player will get a better experience of coil by doing an easy 8 person raid than by being carried by an invincible level 80 player.

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Again, the fights like T9 need to be nerfed first, then we can talk about them entering a roulette.

Gonna be completely frank. No one is in the market for easier content especially after our pruning in 5.0, HOWEVER the reasons we have Normal and EX, Normal and Savage are just that. To allow a split between people who want to do the content casually and those who want to test themselves, Because Coil was designed as it was you don't get that luxury until the later tiers, and until the fights are nerfed enough that the casual base can manage through it with little issue as is.

The only reason why people are so defending on this is because you're forcing a very often run rou to deal with stuff which would be considered too hard for the casual base. Which is the majority of people going into it. You only got to look at the like counts on posts arguing against it, and we even had someone from Masamune, on a JP dc not advising it, and the JP Dc's are some of the most dedicated to clearing content synced or min il.

I queued into mentor rou earlier and got O12N, which the party wipes 4 times before clearing, all have done this before, and one person left after the first wipe. This is just common place in a roulette and having it stretch to some of the later coils where people don't like running them due to the mechanics is just not a good blend.

Mind you I don't think anyone here has said anything negative about a coils rou past it won't be run often. The main point people ARE stating is that they don't want this content in normal raid rou because of all these reasons stated here.

If coils had that split between Normal and Savage from it's inception this entire conversation would be vastly different and most would be in favor. However because of Coils design and it being one big package you either need to nerf the later ones to allow for an easier time or just flat out refuse them in normal raid rou. The fact you guys are arguing for this in normal daily rou is the entire reason you're getting this adamant defense.