We are in need of a official response to the healer situation

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Originally Posted by ForteNightshade

Switch AST and WHM, and you have a dead job. As Sebazy said, WHM lives off being iconic. Look no further than MCH to see a job without an iconic status and how it languishes. Granted, WHM doesn't have nearly as much issues with its gameplay MCH does but also doesn't have to deal with as much competition.

As for your earlier post. You can play and enjoy something while being critical of its faults. If we all remained silent, then we're guaranteed to never see the changes we hope occur. By constantly remaining vocal, there is at least a chance the dev team acknowledges them and works to make improvements. I see that better than the alternative where certain jobs suffer, especially as you dabble into harder content. You just have to ask the WHMs how many times they were asked to play AST.

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I never said people should remain silent though. I do think they should avoid “the game is failing” posts as a means to get affect change. Being critical and having a temper tantrum(for lack of a better word) posts are different. Also flat out ignoring the dev teams development opinions, ie play first then feedback is just asking for increased frustration. State your case, but then Follow up on what they ask. Calling the devs names and prognosticating the end of the game helps no one.

And they listened to a degree. The amount of utility classes bring is being toned down and the lily system did finally get a change. Successful? Time will tell. So yeah give feedback, but again concise measured feedback and not “omg you suck, give me back “X” are you brain dead!!?”

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Originally Posted by Yuyuka3

You find loosing out on damage self-satisfying?

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From a ooo that was fun aspect yes. Every moment of game time does not have to be pure min max maximum performance. Have a little fun! Especially in the normal content.

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Originally Posted by Feidam

And you kind of just proved my point, with a very strong reaction to someone mentioning the other side. In my experience the number of people that just stand around and the number who tunnel vision are about equal. And both sides want to protect their precious stand point. The middle where most folks are understand that to fully utilize the kit is a more successful use of the groups time. Of course there is various levels of success per individual player skill. But what is asinine is to ignore the other aspect where healers favor dps more than tossing a heal and someone dies. Not just the occasional death either, but some of the healers let it happen consistently. Happens more than you are willing to admit it seems. And quite frankly neither side should speak from a position of authority on the matter.

And someone who stands around and heals only isn’t refusing to play their role assuming everyone stays alive. They are playing suboptimally though.

I also do understand healer anxiety and all that, but I do struggle with why folks just want to just stand around and not slowly adapt. Seems boring. Oh well, like you said it is their dime.

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Perhaps I worded my original reply badly. There is one claim (that you didn't make, but I've read it a lot on these forums) that I flatly disagree with 1000%. That claim is something like "healers who only heal are better/more skilled at the role than those dirty damage dealers", which is laughably, completely, demonstrably untrue from basically any angle you could possibly approach it.

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Originally Posted by Semirhage

Perhaps I worded my original reply badly. There is one claim (that you didn't make, but I've read it a lot on these forums) that I flatly disagree with 1000%. That claim is something like "healers who only heal are better/more skilled at the role than those dirty damage dealers", which is laughably, completely, demonstrably untrue from basically any angle you could possibly approach it.

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And I agree. Was just expounding on how I think it goes a bit further than just one extreme.

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Originally Posted by Yuyuka3

You find loosing out on damage self-satisfying?

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Imagine thinking you'll be going 90 seconds without ever casting a single GCD heal.

That's the only scenario where Misery is a damage loss.

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Originally Posted by Kabooa

Imagine thinking you'll be going 90 seconds without ever casting a single GCD heal.

That's the only scenario where Misery is a damage loss.

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Weird. I was of the impression that this is exactly how healing went for me this past 2 years...
Also, it needs 3 GCD heals in 90 seconds. Which is, outside "things went fubar", never happening.

And in my experience, healers who stand around and only heal are on average worse at the healing part of their role than the average damage dealing healer. I (obviously) fall more on the damage dealer "extreme" here. Based on my experience with Sylphies and non-Sylphies in duty Finder, on the rare occasion I've died on a berserker's watch, I don't think "I would have survived if that darn healer would have stopped doing damage", because I've also rolled into Sylphie parties, and those go south in the healing department way more often than the other scenario. The problem isn't damage dealing. It's skill, paying attention, and (often) not taking avoidable damage and then blaming the healer for it. And honestly, I'd rather die to a fat-fingered Tetra on someone trying to improve themselves than to a 3 CPM player proclaiming there was "nothing they could have done".

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Originally Posted by Yuyuka3

Weird. I was of the impression that this is exactly how healing went for me this past 2 years...

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Sure. Whatever you say.

I'll say nothing about you, but it only takes a few moments to see really good white mages are still casting GCD heals.

You must be bullying that Scholar or Astro something fierce.

Edit: Post limits suck.

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Originally Posted by Brightamethyst

Congratulations. You just described most dungeons.

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Neo Bardram's is going to be fun, I can tell.

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Originally Posted by Yuyuka3

Weird. I was of the impression that this is exactly how healing went for me this past 2 years...
Also, it needs 3 GCD heals in 90 seconds. Which is, outside "things went fubar", never happening.

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Not anymore. The lilies just spawn every 30secs while in combat. Just need to spend your lilies that spawn to get black roses.

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Originally Posted by Kabooa

Imagine thinking you'll be going 90 seconds without ever casting a single GCD heal.

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Congratulations. You just described most dungeons.

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Originally Posted by Feidam

Not anymore. The lilies just spawn every 30secs while in combat. Just need to spend your lilies that spawn to get black roses.

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And? Doesn't matter if they spawn by themselves; to get a blood lily, I need to spend regular lilies three times in 90 seconds if I don't want to sit on stacks. From my experience, and no, I'm not bullying anyone here, that isn't going to happen unless things go fubar.