Gerun Oracles

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Originally Posted by CyrilLucifer

That Locus' lyrics really heavily imply that Alexander is capable of tempering and yet Mide just strolls in really sort of shows how much SE respects the ability to Temper. As in - not at all.

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I don't feel like we've actually "met" Alexander, just his Goblin protectors and their creations. I think if Mide went to the central core of the giant, she'd face tempering, but the outer areas? Don't think the Primal is awake enough to really influence things much (I mean, he moves a bit then shuts down. Twice.)

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Originally Posted by Fenral

Well, Mide was at the initial summoning of Alexander, so she should have been tempered by him then. Assuming there's any logic or consistency in how they operate, which there really isn't at this point, I guess.

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Summoning =/= tempering. IIRC, none of the Sahagan are tempered, for example (just the Drowned) and I don't think any Kobolds are either, nor the Gnath (don't know about the Vundu, but based on the Vanu Vanu quests they aren't either).

Ifrit is the only Primal (we know of) who indiscriminately tempers, being only focused on gaining more power and followers; Garuda tempers her children (Ixal) and only was going to temper you as a punishment. The rest likely save tempering as something else; Ravana probably sees it as dishonorable so will not Temper, Shiva may not know how (but also knows you have the Echo), Ramuh does not want to (only Tempered the Sylphs because they demanded he do so), Bismark...I don't know, maybe he has to eat you to Temper?

Tempering is probably not the first reaction to an enemy for most either; if the enemy is weak, why waste the energy to Temper them into a weak servant? Look at Nael; after his defeat Bahamut releases him from his Tempering since he proved to be too weak a servant (same for Lou, actually...)

Wait aren't the purple sylphs tempered by Ramuh?

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Originally Posted by Powe

Wait aren't the purple sylphs tempered by Ramuh?

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Yes they are. (IN fact I think the Green's Sylphs term for the purple comes from the phrased "touched in the head").

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Originally Posted by PArcher

Tempering is probably not the first reaction to an enemy for most either; if the enemy is weak, why waste the energy to Temper them into a weak servant? Look at Nael; after his defeat Bahamut releases him from his Tempering since he proved to be too weak a servant (same for Lou, actually...)

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Wait a minute... What if we summoned Ifrit the same way Ysayle summoned Shiva? So we become Ifrit... Would we be able to just release Tempered victims?

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Originally Posted by Nalien

Wait a minute... What if we summoned Ifrit the same way Ysayle summoned Shiva? So we become Ifrit... Would we be able to just release Tempered victims?

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Somehow I don;t think that is as easy as it sounds.

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Originally Posted by Nalien

Wait a minute... What if we summoned Ifrit the same way Ysayle summoned Shiva? So we become Ifrit... Would we be able to just release Tempered victims?

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Theoretically, its possible.

Reality...almost certainly impossible.

We have no proof that Shiva tempered anyone, and even though its highly likely that the Knights were tempered (well, one anyway), we can't say for certain that they were. So its hard to say if Ysayle or the Archbishop actually knew how to or could Temper anyone. I don't think we'd be able to remove Ifrit's Tempering in this manor without knowing how he Tempered them in the first place.

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Originally Posted by CyrilLucifer

I'm not sure if we'll be able to cure it any time soon (give it an expansion or two when SE starts hurting for new plotlines), but I do expect we'll learn to shield other people. Somehow.

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I already expect them to cure Roundrox and/or Mide's lover if they're Tempered by Alexander. The biggest problem with the Echo is that it - and thus the WoL - can technically do anything with it as is needed to advance the plot. Which unfortunately makes many of the game's antagonists never get a chance to feel like a threat, thus it all circles back.


I don't mean to sound overly negative but...blergh. I generally end up supporting the antagonists in most settings because to me they're just much more interesting and complex. They're the ones that are usually fleshed out enough to endure realistic consequences whilst the protagonists often get a free pass because 'lol dey da gud guys' and 'rule of cool! lol!!!11'.

Alas, I'm pretty much in the minority. I already get strange looks whenever I admit that the Lannisters are my favourite characters in Game of Thrones. :p

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Originally Posted by Theodric

Alas, I'm pretty much in the minority. I already get strange looks whenever I admit that the Lannisters are my favourite characters in Game of Thrones. :p

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They're perfectly sympathetic anti-villains in the books. I blame the TV show for not giving us very many introspective moments with them.

Then again, barring undeveloped crazy mustache evil, I can find a way to sympathize with pretty much anyone.

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Originally Posted by Fenral

Nah, by the time that happens we'll have found a way to use the Echo to undo Tempering, instead opening us up to reflect on the countless innocents put down offscreen by the Scions out of grim necessity. Only other way they'd handle it is as a way to get rid of a(nother) newly-introduced character, and that trick is even more stale.

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bonus points of grimness if a scion gets tempered and its only then does an argument occur over whether to kill them or not.