I chose BRD for swift gameplay, if I wanted to cast I would have chosen a Mage.

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Originally Posted by Evangela

you want swift gameplay? join our ninja clan.

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Working on it, just got 33. :)

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Originally Posted by loreleidiangelo

This won't always be the case

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Exactly this. Not everything is always the case. But I honestly don't think Healers have it far worse, nor do I think bards have it worse. It's really all the same boat.

In a Light party so rarely are you facing a boss that is going to just rip all the health from the Tank, and in a full PT you obviously are not the only Healer. Under the circumstance that you are in a light PT and the Tank drops below enough, there are several factors that can secure yourselves from wiping if such a situation were to occur as the classes were so designed. You will always have a contingency so long as you know to prepare.

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Originally Posted by Gallus

The whole cleric thing started because a poster claimed that BRDs were the only job that had to go through getting discriminated for not using minuette, which is just...well...false. Then I compared cleric stance with minuette in the sense that both have a recast timer and need to be popped up in specific scenarios (cleric on less healing intensive phases and minuette on phases that require little movement). Both punish the user for not using it appropriately.

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Fair enough, I've got no beef.

Only chocobo.

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Originally Posted by Gallus

What's the difference between "changing" and "having stuff added"?

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Two examples: BRD (before) Could move around, lower potency, always attacking. BRD (now, with new ability active) Rooted in place to do damage, no auto attacks, cast bar to do everything.
DRG (before) Could melee, jump around, stab things, had a big stick. DRG (now, with new ability active) Melees, jumps around, stabs things, has a big stick, with Blood of the Dragon move to an enemies side or rear to do some new moves.

BRD = change, DRG = addition.

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Originally Posted by Gallus

The whole cleric thing started because a poster claimed that BRDs were the only job that had to go through getting discriminated for not using minuette, which is just...well...false. Then I compared cleric stance with minuette in the sense that both have a recast timer and need to be popped up in specific scenarios (cleric on less healing intensive phases and minuette on phases that require little movement). Both punish the user for not using it appropriately.

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Oh, that's where that came from.

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Originally Posted by Evangela

you want swift gameplay? join our ninja clan.

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Except that it heavly depends on ping. I can't play ninja even if I wanted to. My DPS will always be way lower than anyone with a slightly better ping :c

Spam only one mudra and tell me how many you can get before Ninjutsu goes off. I can use 7~8 ><

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Originally Posted by Raiker

BRD (now, with new ability active) Rooted in place to do damage

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So don't leave it up 100% of the time, instead use it as a burst dps ability every minute or so. Then it becomes an addition.

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Originally Posted by Gallus

Btw you may really want to reconsider what you say. Healers are too advertised as healers, yet there's something called cleric stance that gives them the potential to DPS (and activating cleric stance poorly can have very nasty consequences, far worse than a BRD activating minuette on the wrong time). Tanks are too advertised as tanks, yet they have stuff such as sword oath, deliverance and dots which make them push DPS. "No other class has to go throug this but bards" is very false.

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Activating cleric stance, sword oath, etc does not change how the class plays in any way whatsoever. All it does is lower healing in return for damage/ lower threat and defense in return for damage. You don't lose mobility, you don't have cast times change, you don't get an entirely different subset of abilities to use.

The statement that no other class has to go through that is 100% correct.

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Originally Posted by Raiker

And they never asked to be overpowered; according to various reddit posts and posts here, they want they're movement back and are willing to sacrifice a considerable amount of DPS if that's what it takes.

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I'm not picking on you at all, but isn't this precisely what happens by NOT using Minuet? This is why we say it's optional.

Optional yes. Practical? Not always. No more than constantly having Gauss/Minuet on.

You play a bard because Bows are cool! and because SE was lame enough to marry 2 jobs with absolutely noting in common using the flimsy idea that if you break and morph your bow you get a harp... yeah pretty stupid we all know this some are in denial. So suck it up and move on accept that things have changed and change with them because guess what it's not being changed back.

I'd love to see a branch of hunter that turns into beastmaster. Which is what hunter should have been all along.