360 Day Veteran Reward - Aetheryte Ticket

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Originally Posted by ReiszRie

I can't agree more with a previous comment stating that "nothing is truly free"

Indeed, you might view veteran rewards as "free" but reality is that it pays for itself through an increased block subscription time, that is how marketing works, if you buy a car and they give you an ipad, is it truly free or is it to sweeten the deal? if our feedback reaches the devs and they decides to make it a permanent free teleport, does it bring dis-benefit to you? this is what confuses me, how players are actively making the choice to not receive a better reward is somewhat like buying products at full MSRP and refusing to ask or accept a deal.

we pay for the game, that is undeniable but if a company implements a rewards (marketing) program, it isn't unreasonable for customers to have expectations from it even though the very same customers would most likely still purchase without the rewards, it is what you'd call customer satisfaction.

perhaps it is prudent for the players here to not view the veteran rewards as an innocent "thank you" but rather that SE is a for-profit organization and FFXIV is a revenue generating business and the veteran rewards are a marketing program to increase revenue.

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You are paying for a sub for access, not the vet rewards. The deal you are referring to is a free addon such as rims to the car or some other package(vet rewards), and paying full MSRP would be equivalent to paying the full price on the sub. Keeping in mind that 6 months of sub time is getting a discount on full MSRP since you get the standard sub discounted to the rate of a basic sub. You are complaining that the tickets aren't good enough to you. Sure it's about customer satisfaction, but satisfaction only goes so far for freebie items. Your satisfaction should be coming from content within the game, not the veteran rewards you are given.

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Originally Posted by C-croft

The fact that you must have something now as opposed to waiting out the longevity requirements shows that there is an attitude of gimme gimme gimme. PS Totally awesome you brought a religious document to a forum fight.....

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Yet the whole point of these "Veteran Incentives" is to SUPPORT the "gimme gimme" players. And both sides are happier because of it. Players get stuff they want early and SE gets more money. Why are you making this sound like a bad thing? It isn't. It's an excellent SE marketing move to incentivize players to sign up for larger chunks of time; whether you like the idea or not was never relevant to our discussion. You said SE makes the same profit from both 30 and 180 players; and you were wrong.

And obviously I was making a joke for quoting "myself" as a "religious document." El Oh El.

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Originally Posted by Galactimus

Yet the whole point of these "Veteran Incentives" is to SUPPORT the "gimme gimme" players. And both sides are happier because of it. Players get stuff they want early and SE gets more money. Why are you making this sound like a bad thing? It isn't. It's an excellent SE marketing move to incentivize players to sign up for larger chunks of time; whether you like the idea or not was never relevant to our discussion. You said SE makes the same profit from both 30 and 180 players; and you were wrong.

And obviously I was making a joke for quoting "myself" as a "religious document."

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I apologize for not clarifying something that I assumed would be easy to comprehend. Also, I never said it was a bad thing. You are ignoring the fact that you are being given the vet rewards early because you have fulfilled the obligation to access the game for a predetermined amount of time. Your incentive for subscribing at all is vet rewards and the discounted rate is for subbing for a longer time. The fact that you get the vet rewards early is a given because you chose to pay for that access. And once again since this discussion is about longevity rewards, for all intensive purposes, they do make the same profit.

Offering a fourth "Fav" slot for Aetherite would be a better reward in the long term.

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Originally Posted by C-croft

You are paying for a sub for access, not the vet rewards. The deal you are referring to is a free addon such as rims to the car or some other package(vet rewards), and paying full MSRP would be equivalent to paying the full price on the sub.

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Right, ok, let's run with your car analogy.

You've just bought a new car and you're told you've come at a good time because there's a special offer on and you're going to get some "free", "special" alloy wheels as an extra at no additional cost. They bring the wheels out - They suck. They're awful and you'd rather have the original trims.

As a customer purchasing a car - Are you genuinely saying you wouldn't ask for an alternative set of alloy wheels - if the ones on offer were (in your opinion), terrible? Or would it just be terribly rude to refuse the awful alloys, because they're "free"?

It seems to me that we have a split between the savvy consumers amongst us and the "let's just get what we're given" lot.

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Originally Posted by SLeonhart

Right, ok, let's run with your car analogy.

You've just bought a new car and you're told you've come at a good time because there's a special offer on and you're going to get some "free", "special" alloy wheels as an extra at no additional cost. They bring the wheels out - They suck. They're awful and you'd rather have the original trims.

As a customer purchasing a car - Are you genuinely saying you wouldn't ask for an alternative set of alloy wheels - if the ones on offer were (in your opinion), terrible? Or would it just be terribly rude to refuse the awful alloys, because they're "free"?

It seems to me that we have a split between the savvy consumers amongst us and the "let's just get what we're given" lot.

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Not really my analogy, but let's run with it... Then don't use the tickets and discard them? I guess it would be more pertinent to tell SE to keep their tickets and you will stick to just the minion? Sure you can ask, but the whole point of the special offer is the crap wheels. Sure you can decline the wheels(special offer), but to think that you deserve better wheels is asinine. At the same time, this isn't all inclusive, you might ask and they say we have these other wheels. But the special offer is a specific set of wheels. It's not rude to refuse the wheels. It's rude to say this isn't good enough for me bring forth better wheels.

EDIT: To reiterate, my stance on these tickets is that it is an odd choice for a vet reward for 360 days. Of course there are other things it could be, but it's free, and comes with the access I am paying for. I pay to play a game, not for some rewards that I may very likely never use more than a couple times. Honestly, I will probably use the 50 free tickets more than I ever use any other vet reward. Definitely not wearing the swimsuit. The fantasia, not needed. If I could sell it I would. I would probably give it away if I could. Don't find the Ahriman mount that awesome. YMMV of course.

PS ahhh, post limits. A nice 360 reward is the removal of post limits lmao

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Originally Posted by Delorean

It is one thing to say something. It is another thing entirely to actually do something. Just because they do not choose to acknowledge a complaint openly does not mean that they do not acknowledge it at all. We have seen threads like these be deleted as well which is also a form of acknowledgement.

But you're right, Square Enix does not owe us anything. However, I would definitely appreciate having something a little bit nicer to commemorate a year of playing Final Fantasy XIV.

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You're right, it'll be cool to have something to commemorate a year.

But people jump the gun.

Did anyone ever stop to think that there's a high possibility that there will be an event around the year anniversary, that will give us all something unique? Something beyond the Veteran Rewards? It doesn't look like it.

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Originally Posted by Tahldon

No, it's a free gift in thanks of being a subscriber. It's really not that big of a deal.

They could have given us a hearty "thanks", you know.

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Or nothing like hundreds of other MMO's.

Some people never learn...

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Originally Posted by Bayohne

we do not make responses just because the word "petition" is used

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Originally Posted by Rex

You're right, it'll be cool to have something to commemorate a year.

But people jump the gun.

Did anyone ever stop to think that there's a high possibility that there will be an event around the year anniversary, that will give us all something unique? Something beyond the Veteran Rewards? It doesn't look like it.

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That would be very cool ^_^ When's Founders Day in Eorzea? Is that still a thing?