Dark Knight

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Originally Posted by Ragnirok

If you read the post it said that the two iterations would be dps from GLD job or tank from an entirely new job. I'll just chalk it up to ignorance.

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I'm assuming you mean class, in which case you re-read my post. I very clearly said "let's give one class multiple tank jobs" which implies I disagreed with making DRK a tank job if it was a GLD job stone. If it was split off an entirely new class I'd disagree on general principle of not giving GLD something.

Since I'm sure you can read at a greater than third grade level, I'll assume you were just tired.

SE could always introduce the Soldier class from numerous other final fantasy games as a great sword user and have Drk come off of that. Mrd no doubt will be getting Berserker or Viking their skill set matches those 2 more.

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Originally Posted by Instrumentality

I'm assuming you mean class, in which case you re-read my post. I very clearly said "let's give one class multiple tank jobs" which implies I disagreed with making DRK a tank job if it was a GLD job stone. If it was split off an entirely new class I'd disagree on general principle of not giving GLD something.

Since I'm sure you can read at a greater than third grade level, I'll assume you were just tired.

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I did mean class

That being said giving GLD a dps job is asinine because of how much is devoted specifically towards tanking. Traits are dictated by class and not job it would mean having to drastically alter their system. You are going to have to be prepared for GLD to not have another Job that isn't tank based. And before you start throwing yoship quotes around he just used it as an example. Would you really want a dps job based off a tank class?

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Originally Posted by Ragnirok

That being said giving GLD a dps job is asinine because of how much is devoted specifically towards tanking. Traits are dictated by class and not job it would mean having to drastically alter their system. You are going to have to be prepared for GLD to not have another Job that isn't tank based. And before you start throwing yoship quotes around he just used it as an example. Would you really want a dps job based off a tank class?

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I actually talked about this in another post earlier today. GLA and CNJ have particularly tough roads ahead of them if they are to get another job due to their extreme specialization. The potential for Darkside/Darkness to interrupt the tankiness of GLA is actually a good part of why it's discussed.

As for a DPS job off any tank, however, MRD is not only a good candidate, it's painfully obvious. The design is terribly similar to LNC already. You can practically match the two directly: Blood for Blood vs. Berserk, BB vs. FT, HT vs. Maim, Disembowel vs. Storm's Eye, Fracture vs. Phlebotemize. MRD has generally lower potency, but this is not difficult to address in a job design. Not only that, but from a mechanics standpoint, MRD is built as well as you possibly can for Dark Knight. Bloodbath, Thrill of Battle, Mercy Stroke, and Storm's Path all recover HP, which is a damage resource for Darkside/Darkness. I've said it before and I'll say it again: if I were designing a DPS class to work for a Dark Knight job, I'd basically end up making MRD.

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Originally Posted by Ragnirok

I did mean class

That being said giving GLD a dps job is asinine because of how much is devoted specifically towards tanking. Traits are dictated by class and not job it would mean having to drastically alter their system. You are going to have to be prepared for GLD to not have another Job that isn't tank based. And before you start throwing yoship quotes around he just used it as an example. Would you really want a dps job based off a tank class?

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I would want a DPS job based off a tank class, yes.

It's not hard at all to imagine a high VIT dps class that uses moves to sacrifice extra HP for increased damage. Use those vaunted tank cooldowns to survive normal incoming damage with less HP than other melee DD and it'd be fine.

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Originally Posted by Gamemako

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I could see that happening. MRD has a lot of built in damage just a stance or something and they'd be set but I can't see GLD providing a viable dps job. Because the idea above is probably never going to happen.

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Originally Posted by yondaimeflash

I love all these comments about Dark Knight branching from tanks. Last I checked the Dark Knight is a DPS or DD class. Given and as much as I hate to say this about MY most favorite class in all of final fantasy may become a tank the way 14 is Dark Knight could become a tank. The class or classes I see it pulling from is Mrd because they kinda already have life stealing abilities even though there crap or a new one that they make. I wouldve said Blm but not of there abilities are like they were in 11 were you can absorb health or states. (edit) One thing I would like to add though is I really do hope that the Dark Knights weapon is not a two handed sword they looked hideous in 11 though gfx are better now that what they were back then but two handed swords to me just aren't that awesome. Now a scythe or a sword and shield now we are talking lol.

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The only people I see who think the DRK should be a tank are those who loved X-2, that exploit nitch group in XI, IV fans that think Cecil was tough (Sure he was, he was the main character and had to survive on his own at times), and trolls. If you look at the OP I pointed out points to ether side on the main games the DRK was in and it shows that the DRK's defining aspects were its ability to deal damage in all but X-2. Another group would be damage dealers who don't want more competition for DF ques. We do need more tanks, but sorry guys this is 90% likely not your horse then.

Oh and don't mind Exstal, she is obviously just trolling.

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Originally Posted by Tyvek

SE could always introduce the Soldier class from numerous other final fantasy games as a great sword user and have Drk come off of that. Mrd no doubt will be getting Berserker or Viking their skill set matches those 2 more.

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This is EXACTLY what I have been saying.

more than likely SE will introduce both DRK and SAM as hybrid jobs that are capable of dealing high dmg and falling back on magic(drk) or a stance(samurai) that reduces the enemy's ability to hurt them.

Its pretty obvious to me.

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Originally Posted by Bloodclaw

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You've basically picked and chosen points out of a wiki that support your argument. If you go back and actually play the games you'll see that every single DRK job has exceptionally high defense. On the point of soldier the class that doesn't exist in any game whatsoever save for maybe a splash in tactics. In every other game its defined as a generic character who is usually only temporary. Unless of course you mean Knight in which case we have that already. It's called Paladin.

There are good arguments for having it for a tank and as a dps. But why dilute the game with something that has the potential to be a tank (with a 2 handed sword even) that way we can make way for things that are guaranteed to be dps (ninja, red mage, anything else). DRK, and SAM are both instances that could be potential tank jobs and leave room for other things that can't (or shouldn't) be a tank.

You can say that the job was focused on dealing damage but guess what? Every job pre XI was focused on doing damage save for the ones like whm that were dedicated to healing (holy, and summons aside). This is because there was no trinity in Final Fantasy before XI. Why shouldn't a high armor high health target be used as a tank? Just because they aren't proficient in shields doesn't mean they can't tank. See MRD/WAR.

So again i reiterate, why saturate the already heavily saturated dps pool with a job that could be used as a tank?