This has to stop.

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Originally Posted by dontcare

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No you're required to use the dungeon finder. Sorry I should have been more specific.

Do you understand that your entire argument is fallacy? Its always 1 selfish monster who wants to watch vs. 7 who don't.

Say, maybe those seven people should form their own party! You know, because there are oh so much more of you.

Right? I mean if you outnumber the first timers, you should have NO problem forming a like minded party...RIGHT?
You claim majority, and yet still require an automated system to get parties? Please.

Every other gaming community understands that people with specific goals should find their own group. Why can't you? New players are less likely to be able to get constant groups than end game farmers, and you KNOW IT.

When your quest tells you to use the duty finder and enter the dungeon, guess what? They're going to use it. Duty finders aren't made for farming. Thats what guilds/premades are for.

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Originally Posted by dontcare

Considering players interested in watching cutscenes are the great minority, it makes much more sense that they form their own group. Utilitarianism and all.

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That is in fact the opposite of what that means.

The fact that speed runners are the vast majority means it's easier to make a premade CMSR group than it is to make a party filled with first timers looking to enjoy the story. Duty finder is really the only place you can go to treat the mission as the story mission it is.

With the constant "LFM CMSR" shouts in Revenant's Toll, I think anyone who would rather DF CM than join a server side pug, is just too embarrassed about poor gear, knowledge, and/or skill to join one server side.

OT: I agree OP, it should absolutely stop. More importantly, I wish there was some way to convince every first timer to just watch their CSs, there is literally nothing the DF champions can do to stop you.

You guys do realize that this is a storyline dungeon, right?

Guess what that means.

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Originally Posted by faris

You guys do realize that this is a storyline dungeon, right?

Guess what that means.

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100 philo stones at the end?

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Originally Posted by Almalexia

100 philo stones at the end?

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Try again.

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Originally Posted by faris

Try again.

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200 philo stones?

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Originally Posted by Almalexia

200 philo stones?

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Clue's in the name.

Hmmm... Castrum Meridium... Castration?

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Originally Posted by PapesseLudovique

Say, maybe those seven people should form their own party! You know, because there are oh so much more of you.

Right? I mean if you outnumber the first timers, you should have NO problem forming a like minded party...RIGHT?

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Forming a premade requires more effort and is less convenient than using the duty finder. Why should the majority of players use the less convenient method of forming a party? Using the duty finder for speedruns inconveniences the fewest number of players overall.

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New players are less likely to be able to get constant groups than end game farmers, and you KNOW IT.

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If all speedrunners ceased using the duty finder as you suggest, new players would be just as likely to find constant groups in the DF as they would be forming their own groups now.

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Originally Posted by faris

Clue's in the name.

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0 philo stones because half the party is new and half the party wants to speed run and these divergent goals for the raid lead to arguments and people leaving the instance in a huff?