Reintroduce Maat in 2.0

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Originally Posted by Grimwald

I was never a main healer in any kind of endgame, my job was to fresh + haste, and land debuffs on the mobs. I would heal and break my rotation only when a WHM was dead or OOM.

EXP Parties aren't endgame, and if you had a NIN tank you never needed to heal them anyways, just back to haste + refresh.

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I was talking about how rdm was used for healing in exp parties and excuse my wordage for the end game from what I heard a lot of time they would want rdm to be for the refresh or go sub drk for the chainspell and stun maneuver

Also they ended up phasing out nin tanks around lvl 30ish for a lot of areas and wanted a paladin for their ability to cure themselves and keep hate better than the nin could. Just occassionally pop the refresh on them as well as regen if you had whm subbed but for the others if they ended up getting hit you still had to heal them. As well as keep refresh on everyone debuff the mob that's being fought and keep haste on everyone.

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Originally Posted by Rannie

I was talking about how rdm was used for healing in exp parties and excuse my wordage for the end game from what I heard a lot of time they would want rdm to be for the refresh or go sub drk for the chainspell and stun maneuver

Also they ended up phasing out nin tanks around lvl 30ish for a lot of areas and wanted a paladin for their ability to cure themselves and keep hate better than the nin could. Just occassionally pop the refresh on them as well as regen if you had whm subbed but for the others if they ended up getting hit you still had to heal them. As well as keep refresh on everyone debuff the mob that's being fought and keep haste on everyone.

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I never found PLD useful in EXP pts, even when it was my most played endgame job, especially when the exp pts revolved around TP burning, I found Ninja's damage paired with their shadows made them great tanks on mobs that lasted 30s-1m

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Originally Posted by Grimwald

I never found PLD useful in EXP pts, even when it was my most played endgame job, especially when the exp pts revolved around TP burning, I found Ninja's damage paired with their shadows made them great tanks on mobs that lasted 30s-1m

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never been in a tp burning party before and always was in parties with paladins *shrugs*

The best paladins I saw in exp parties were /nin dualwielding swords with haubergeons.

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Originally Posted by TheVedis

This is not FF11

we DO NOT need Maat

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/rollseyes

Know something? Some traumas are best overcome through psychotherapy.

R

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Originally Posted by Mirage

The best paladins I saw in exp parties were /nin dualwielding swords with haubergeons.

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A tank based around having on-demand perfect evasion is unbalanced. It was cool to DW as a WAR though...

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Originally Posted by Rutelor

/rollseyes

Know something? Some traumas are best overcome through psychotherapy.

R

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If a game has a mechanic that was capable of traumatizing a player, is it a game anymore?

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Originally Posted by ShivenCasull

A tank based around having on-demand perfect evasion is unbalanced. It was cool to DW as a WAR though...

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There was nothing unbalanced about pld/nin in exp parties. It was faster exp than the pld basically just turtling the entire fight. You'd get half a DD more in your party at the loss of 25% tankability. Before lv74, there was definitely not anything close to on-demand perfect evasion for any class that subbed nin.

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Originally Posted by Mirage

There was nothing unbalanced about pld/nin in exp parties. It was faster exp than the pld basically just turtling the entire fight. You'd get half a DD more in your party at the loss of 25% tankability. Before lv74, there was definitely not anything close to on-demand perfect evasion for any class that subbed nin.

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Oh, no I meant NIN vs PLD. My bad.

Nin as a subjob was only really good because it offered DW as a passive.

I dunno man. Over the years, the optimal tank for various bosses hasn't really been static. For some periods, nin tanks were very good for a good amount of content, but a few updates later, there could be bosses that for a long time wouldn't be safe to tank with anything but a pld.

It's not like a ninja tank was suddenly unkillable either, especially not with enemies that triple attack every other attack round with extreme accuracy, and bosses that spam aoe/multihit TP moves.

Ninja as a subjob is however extremely good for lowman now (or at least half a year ago when I quit), especially for dnc and thf and with high haste. At the peak of the abyssea era, a very high percentage of NMs could be tanked with just utsu ichi with a moderately good eva set and haste/fastcast gearswaps for recast, letting you save utsu ni for an instant recast after an aoe attack.

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Originally Posted by Mirage

I dunno man. Over the years, the optimal tank for various bosses hasn't really been static. For some periods, nin tanks were very good for a good amount of content, but a few updates later, there could be bosses that for a long time wouldn't be safe to tank with anything but a pld.

It's not like a ninja tank was suddenly unkillable either, especially not with enemies that triple attack every other attack round with extreme accuracy, and bosses that spam aoe/multihit TP moves.

Ninja as a subjob is however extremely good for lowman now (or at least half a year ago when I quit), especially for dnc and thf and with high haste. At the peak of the abyssea era, a very high percentage of NMs could be tanked with just utsu ichi with a moderately good eva set and haste/fastcast gearswaps for recast, letting you save utsu ni for an instant recast after an aoe attack.

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Yeah, SE did a fairly good job balancing both of the classes. I played XI and it suffered from a smiliar PUG issue like the one in XIV (All content that requires any AOE tanking a WAR is prefered) My friend IRL was a Ninja and loved to brag about how easily he got invites to parties. I'm probably a little biased :P

That's a game design option only available to Final Fantasy XI or XIV because of the ability to swap jobs. Make an evasion tank, and content that is viable for their tanking. Then make a high defense tank and content that favors that style...

Not sure if it's a good thing though, will have to see where SE goes.

On topic: Party based limit breaks that are advanced instruction hidden in a quest? Yes please.

Solo grindfest content meant to slow character progression to max level the first time? No Thanks.