How to Restore Confidence in FFXIV

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Originally Posted by VelKallor

but muh majoriteh"..do the math, mate

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Argumentum ad Populum - Google it

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Originally Posted by Theodric

The lack of any new exploratory zones is a bitter blow, to be honest. FFXIV already has some of the most linear dungeons in existence and has reduced the number of them from three to two to one over time. WoW and ESO, meanwhile, flesh out the game world quite often with new zones of varying sizes with a decent amount of things to do and see within them.

I'm very much in favour of the classic fantasy game approach that is 'pick a direction and run'. FFXIV could easily embrace that, especially since we're supposedly returning to the role of an adventurer and yet...there's so little to do and see. Especially when you're all caught up with the MSQ's. Which in itself increasingly consists of watching NPC's emote at each other with repetition and speak in numerous sentences what could easily be conveyed in one.

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The time to depower the WoL back to adventurer status should have come no later than 6.0's ending...and yet here we are about to take on one of the most powerful voidsent currently active. Our "exploration" is just back tracking through dungeons for the most part or the town in the Void we can no longer get back to. It all feels more like I'm sitting through somebody's oc's power fantasy rather than a decent story.

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Originally Posted by VelKallor

No one has silenced any dissent, in any way shape or form. What you refuse to acknowledge is the simple fact that this forum is a tiny band of malcontents.."but muh majoriteh"..do the math, mate. Maybe 100 posters here vs the millions that dont post here, and who are ingame enjoying themselves.

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This is quite... " Unhinged "... or at least how you phrased your post.

No one refutes the Forum making up a smaller portion of the player-base. The minority/majority argument point does not " Erase " valid critique of concerning/passionate/disappointed players nor removes flaws or potential improvements of the game. Yoshi-P told us to go to the Forums and give us your Feedback. Remember, the silent leave first. Simple metaphor? Could complain about food at a restaurant or plenty will outright leave if it continues to deteriorate in what they could serve, especially vs what they served in the past. They'll still have players, but it's just worse. Praising everything, incl. the negatives? does nothing to improve it.

Beyond a handful of trolls/bashers, plenty post " cause they care ". You can sense a good sign in faith if the post is about discussing/tackling logical argument points vs sounding like an attempt to insult. If you proofread your post and it amounts to just an impolite tantrum? reconsider the reason for posting it in the 1st place, mhm.

Oh so you mean like that other BS meme "appeal to authority" etc..just another way of dismissing facts you dont like or dont want to acknowledge.

Its a nice handwave and little else.

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Originally Posted by VelKallor

Oh so you mean like that other BS meme "appeal to authority" etc..just another way of dismissing facts you dont like or dont want to acknowledge.

Its a nice handwave and little else.

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It's a logical fallacy. You are the one who handwaves everything he doesn't like. Are you doing a logical fallacies speedrun?

The "meme". Jesus dude, get your sh*t together. You already use "Burden of Proof" and "Argumentum ad Populum". Funny thing: You dismissing logical fallacies as "memes" is actually an "Appeal to Authority". You dismiss actual logical fallacies. Without any reasoning. You seem to be unable to construct or comment or counter any logical argument. You never add to a discussion. You just rage. Be better.

Edit: Gotta try that sometime. During a discussion just call the other side's argument a "meme". So incredibly stupid it has to be seen

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Edit: Gotta try that sometime. During a discussion just call the other side's argument a "meme". So incredibly stupid it has to be seen

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Weell..I look at it this way. I look at all the negativity here, the claims that "everyone is unhappy with the game"..and then I look at multiple full servers and a lot of happy people in game..then I look at all the fanfest tickets vanishing in ten seconds or less..so what am I to think?

If all these people dont like the game........then why did all these people buy tickets and travel internationally to a festival for a game they dont like?

So, and you will forgive me on this..but I tend to take anything said here with a grain of salt the size of Mt Everest.

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It’s no secret that the vocal minority will sound the doom alarms one thread at a time. Meanwhile the silent majority continues going about their day.

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Originally Posted by Ovenmitts

It’s no secret that the vocal minority will sound the doom alarms one thread at a time. Meanwhile the silent majority continues going about their day.

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Yes. The vocal minority give feedback and care about the game and the silent majority quit without feedback, continue their lives and never look at the game again.

The vocal minority are all the developers have to know what would interest the silent leavers and a certain group of players do their best to silence them. Guess which group is better for the health of the product?

Yes, it's a product and SE are a company. Bland praise like they're a single fragile person who needs a confidence boost is entirely worthless.

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Originally Posted by VelKallor

Weell..I look at it this way. I look at all the negativity here, the claims that "everyone is unhappy with the game"

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Sources please. I didn't say that. Many others probably also didn't. You seem to reiterate with every new comment that you believe what the majority believes. The majority isn't always right. Also: what if i told you i can log in and still be dissapointed at the state of the game?

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Originally Posted by Liam_Harper

Yes. The vocal minority give feedback and care about the game and the silent majority quit without feedback, continue their lives and never look at the game again.

The vocal minority are all the developers have to know what would interest the silent leavers and a certain group of players do their best to silence them. Guess which group is better for the health of the product?

Yes, it's a product and SE are a company. Bland praise like they're a single fragile person who needs a confidence boost is entirely worthless.

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I feel like a lot of the feedback here also comes from a band of fragile people looking for some sort of commendation for their efforts.

Proper feedback is good. Doom and gloom without anything constructive when the status quo seemingly remains unchanged for a period of time isn’t. The latter seems to be the case on these forums when the whine posts sprout upon the smallest hint of a content lull. These are just memes.