I hate to, but I think I put down healing for now. Please make it engaging again, SE.

The problem with healers now (IMO) is that it's mostly about dealing as much damage as possible while waiting for the actual raid damage to happen, which is kind of how it's always been, but it feels like the group wide damage just isn't as frequent as it could be. Most times it lines up perfectly with cooldowns. I almost always have plenary or horoscope or indom available when i need it.

If people mess up mechanics constantly? Well i have something to do... but it almost feels like i don't even need to be there half the time and am just a Glare/Malefic/Broil bot.

Like you have healers that primarily farm that laugh at the idea of ever casting regen or use any GCD healing because it would reduce their dps. That is an issue.

You could make this game have no healers. Image tank having an auto regen. The only threatening thing would be boss mechanics that essentially one shot you. Do the dance properly and you survive.

Does healing have any impact beyond the occasional unavoidable damage burst to the party?

Tanks barely need sustain. Tankbusters are severly scripted, they occur everytime tanks have their cds up.

Are healers truly needed? If healers are here to fix mistakes then why does every mechanic become instant death. Are we raise machines then?

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Originally Posted by Cled-cat

Is it just me, or is the silence from the Dev team deafening right now? There’s been a pretty significant dialogue on the state of healers ever since ShB released yet... what changes have we got so far? What acknowledgement have we got so far?? I haven’t seen much at all, it’s really disheartening that a whole role and many of its concerned/disappointed players is practically being ghosted since they don’t want to acknowledge its problems. The longer they stick their head in the sand or look the other way, the more contempt they’ll get.

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Sure, let's ignore the fact that returning ED and the MP buff on AoW was a direct response to feedback on excess Aetherflow stacks.
Let's ignore the fact that the buff to AST was a direct response to feedback on AST being weak.

Let's just throw a temper tantrum whenever we don't get exactly what we want.

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Originally Posted by LariaKirin

Sure, let's ignore the fact that returning ED and the MP buff on AoW was a direct response to feedback on excess Aetherflow stacks.
Let's ignore the fact that the buff to AST was a direct response to feedback on AST being weak.

Let's just throw a temper tantrum whenever we don't get exactly what we want.

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And you're ignoring everything SE took away for no reason.

In 5.0, SCH litterally had two damage buttons for every single boss fight, and all they did was undo a skill removal (which should have never happened in the first place). As for AST, it was abysmally bad, and was outperformed by other healers in every field. No exceptions.

They didn't answer our feedback, they just did the bare minimum so they could go back to fixing melee dps. They don't give a duck about us, else the healer forum wouldn't be so full of "can we cancel 5.0 please" threads.

You're just being dismissive and trying to pretend the bare minimum on SE's part is actually an act of kindness we should be grateful for.

Funny enough they fixed the no healing problem in Ultimate Alexander. Titan in comparison healing wise is so relaxed. But in all other content you sleep more or less all the time as healer. And the 1 Button Spam dmg spell isn’t helping.

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Originally Posted by LariaKirin

Sure, let's ignore the fact that returning ED and the MP buff on AoW was a direct response to feedback on excess Aetherflow stacks.
Let's ignore the fact that the buff to AST was a direct response to feedback on AST being weak.

Let's just throw a temper tantrum whenever we don't get exactly what we want.

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After they killed the healer and burned the remains off course we are mad. Lucky enough they could only murder astro and sch. Whm whas so bad already so they couldn’t make it worse. Sch got a the “new” fairy that is complete shit and has the problem to just eat your Inputs if you try to use more then 1 fairy ability at the same time. And ofc there were forced too give them back energy drain. Sitting in your aetherflow stacks and can’t use them because nothing happens so you are forced to overheal just to get the 10 gauge whas super annoying.Astro lost all individuality, just to get cheap balance with different colors, losing all job identity (Time theme/different cards ). And don’t forget the Great talk about Balancing ( killing) the healer so they can add one later.

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Originally Posted by LariaKirin

Sure, let's ignore the fact that returning ED and the MP buff on AoW was a direct response to feedback on excess Aetherflow stacks.
Let's ignore the fact that the buff to AST was a direct response to feedback on AST being weak.

Let's just throw a temper tantrum whenever we don't get exactly what we want.

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ED was complete Garbage to begin with. Having to heal a DRK that's on Living Dead wouldn't even scratch his HP pool. You don't seem to realize what we AST players want is our class to be fun again. You can buff it to God tier level, that still won't change the fact that it's lame and repetitive and that it IS the least played healer by a large margin. Am I angry? Yes I am. We all have the right to be because this is not fixing the problem. We still have the WORST MP management out of the three healers. We lost so much this expansion and all we gained was more OGCD's for healing. We healers have our rights to voice our disapproval of these changes and we shall do so.

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Originally Posted by Lodi

And you're ignoring everything SE took away for no reason.

In 5.0, SCH litterally had two damage buttons for every single boss fight, and all they did was undo a skill removal (which should have never happened in the first place). As for AST, it was abysmally bad, and was outperformed by other healers in every field. No exceptions.

They didn't answer our feedback, they just did the bare minimum so they could go back to fixing melee dps. They don't give a duck about us, else the healer forum wouldn't be so full of "can we cancel 5.0 please" threads.

You're just being dismissive and trying to pretend the bare minimum on SE's part is actually an act of kindness we should be grateful for.

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Have you even looked at the DPS forum? There are complaints for every job, which is to be expected. Sorry to break it to you, but class design is hard and they will never be able please everyone.

The Healer forum in particular suffers from a severe case of victim mentality. We are not in 5.0 anymore, yet you keep going back to justify this victim mentality by dismissing every change that is a response to player feedback. I'll just repeat: "Let's just throw a temper tantrum whenever we don't get exactly what we want."

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Originally Posted by Cled-cat

Is it just me, or is the silence from the Dev team deafening right now? There’s been a pretty significant dialogue on the state of healers ever since ShB released yet... what changes have we got so far? What acknowledgement have we got so far?? I haven’t seen much at all, it’s really disheartening that a whole role and many of its concerned/disappointed players is practically being ghosted since they don’t want to acknowledge its problems. The longer they stick their head in the sand or look the other way, the more contempt they’ll get.

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Ofc it was the same with DRK in SB, and guess what they did in shbr - nothing community said was done - and everyone including me was waiting for change till 5.0

With this in mind, nothing will change till 6.0 :/

It really started to bother me, game overall is very good, but :/ I feel disconnected with "the team making game"

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Originally Posted by LariaKirin

Sure, let's ignore the fact that returning ED and the MP buff on AoW was a direct response to feedback on excess Aetherflow stacks.
Let's ignore the fact that the buff to AST was a direct response to feedback on AST being weak.

Let's just throw a temper tantrum whenever we don't get exactly what we want.

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Ah yes, they returned the ONE ability. The ONE that anybody with the most basic knowledge of how SCH worked could have told you that the class would not work without, anyone but SE. Square has no idea how SCH, or healers in general, are played, or it would have never been removed in the first place. I'm convinced they didn't even do proper play testing for the class. Had they taken it through ANY piece of content where people didn't eat orange circles like candy they would've found out real quick that SCH's aetherflow was useless 90% of the time, but nooope, it took everyone yelling at them to figure that out. I'm not going to give them credit for that, because it shouldn't have been removed at all.

Also let's ignore the genuine problems, not even the stuff that's up for debate like your DPS abilities. How about the fact that the fairy is STILL broken. It can take, and I timed this, up to 10 seconds for it to use an ability, and that's it it uses it at all. Compare that to Stormblood where the fairy did this really innovative thing and just did what you told it to do when you told it to do. But, yes, every complaint. If just a temper tantrum, and just square undwilling to listen. They have yet to give any explanation as to WHY the fair is on the GCD now and why it's so terrible, why we have nothing to do in downtime (which considering them, I wouldn't be shocked if they thought we didn't have any) why they thought energy drain shouldn't need to be there, despite aetherflow being useless without it (again, anyone but SE could have told you that) that's why people are frustrated. Square has said nothing, and when people ask, even when they get the most upvotes on the live letter threads, they are aptly ignored. But sure, it's nothing but a temper tantrum. God forbid you, as a consumer, are talked to and listened to.