Information on 1.21 Next week?

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Originally Posted by Klive

First off, in a setting like game development deadlines are really just guidelines. They really are a hopeful guess with, "I think we could have it done by this time." I've worked with programming, something of this scale can have countless things, can and will, go wrong or get delayed. When integrating code from multiple people, you pray nothing goes wrong. Then integrating that code into an already running system, you pray again. It is just the nature of programing. Not to mention the QA and testing of the code. I've debugged 500+ pages of code before, it is a task you want to shoot yourself over. My point being, the timeline they put out, was an educated guess at best.

Why do I bring this up? SE, since Yoshi took over FF14, has made habit of not putting out info until it is ready. We do not get anything until they have if fleshed out and working on a level they are comfortable with. The main issue with FF14 pre-Yoshi was they made promises and put out the plan too early; so when they fell behind they had to ship a bad unfinished product. You saw how well that went for the release of this game. Yoshi has shown he rather delay content than release unfit content.

My guess is, if they haven't put anything out yet, they are still making it worth our time. I rather have a quality product myself. I know we, the FF14 player base, feel entitled to faster updates and patches. We are paying them after all, this doesn't stop development time.

This next patch is huge and is adding a lot of well... just stuff. This 1.21 will determined if players stay or leave. If the job system fails... this game fails. I imagine they want the release of jobs and first two raid made with jobs in mind to be amazing. The job system is meant to bring life and interest back into this game. There is a lot of hype about the job system coming out and SE knows it. I can see why they are being quiet and might delay this patch, lots is riding on this patch.

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Wow, Vack, look at that, another Forum Poster that agrees with me? You might as well call them a White Knight in order to discredit anything and everything they have to say. While you are at it why don't you ask them if they are stupid too?

So SE delayed the notes of delaying the delayed patch?

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Originally Posted by Matsume

Wow, Vack, look at that, another Forum Poster that agrees with me? You might as well call them a White Knight in order to discredit anything and everything they have to say. While you are at it why don't you ask them if they are stupid too?

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Why would I ask if he is stupid? He hasn't quoted me and if he did I would imagine he wouldn't give me one of your meaninglessly droning answers that had nothing to do with what I was saying.

OMG!? he agrees with you? Wow, thats bizarre because I thought forums were all uniform instead of a collage of yes men. You've yet again blown my mind. Maybe I should point out people who agree with me and after that we could meet behind K-Mart and have a bought of fisticuffs.

You are outstanding.

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Originally Posted by Vackashken

Seemed like a question worth asking. Because in that post you gave me the most bone-headed answer you could. So I was wondering if you were that dumb or were you trying to be dumb.

My wants for updates and pointing out their terrible track record in this farce is whimsical? Thats strange. I had no idea it was ridiculous for us to want more ferquient updates that so many other games have down pat. I mean 1.21 is suppose to be thier saving grace at this point - wouldn't they want to showcase it more? Wouldn't they want to filter out to their dying community "Hey guys look at this cool stuff"

Actually, they do have an obligation to me if they want my money. Just like everyone else.

Their marketing strategy has been abysmal from day 1.

Oh wait I'm not at all. I'm just a paying costumer.

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100% Subjective and oppinionated.

Honestly Vack, you are getting what you pay for. You aren't paying for the promise of a future patch. You pay for the game in it's current stage. If you are not happy with it, end your subscription and come back when the game contains the content you so wish to pay for. No where is is said that in exchange for 10 dollars a month, you will be deliviered a patch in time. This is your warped way of looking at it. Stop with the nonesense already.

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Originally Posted by Laf

So SE delayed the notes of delaying the delayed patch?

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Yup, but they also delayed the announcement of delaying the notes of the delayed patch.

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Originally Posted by Klive

First off, in a setting like game development deadlines are really just guidelines. They really are a hopeful guess with, "I think we could have it done by this time." I've worked with programming, something of this scale can have countless things, can and will, go wrong or get delayed. When integrating code from multiple people, you pray nothing goes wrong. Then integrating that code into an already running system, you pray again. It is just the nature of programing. Not to mention the QA and testing of the code. I've debugged 500+ pages of code before, it is a task you want to shoot yourself over. My point being, the timeline they put out, was an educated guess at best.
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Wish people would understand that...

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Originally Posted by Matsume

100% Subjective and oppinionated.

Honestly Vack, you are getting what you pay for. You aren't paying for the promise of a future patch. You pay for the game in it's current stage. If you are not happy with it, end your subscription and come back when the game contains the content you so wish to pay for. No where is is said that in exchange for 10 dollars a month, you will be deliviered a patch in time. This is your warped way of looking at it. Stop with the nonesense already.

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Actually, we're ALL playing for a future patch. Are you seriously implying the state of the game is anything less then sad? Correct, it doesn't say for 10 bucks a month you will be delivered, blah blah blah, crapola. However, this is the real world we're dealing with. If your product is lacking and you (as in SE) keeps saying give us more time we promise it will be good - sadly I am going to see what I am investing in.

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Originally Posted by Vackashken

Actually, we're ALL playing for a future patch. Are you seriously implying the state of the game is anything less then sad? Correct, it doesn't say for 10 bucks a month you will be delivered, blah blah blah, crapola. However, this is the real world we're dealing with. If your product is lacking and you (as in SE) keeps saying give us more time we promise it will be good - sadly I am going to see what I am investing in.

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yea, a lot of people payed 6 months in advance using SE's time frame as a guideline. I don't care about the delay as much as the lack of info explaining the delay.

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Originally Posted by syntaxlies

yea, a lot of people payed 6 months in advance using SE's time frame as a guideline. I don't care about the delay as much as the lack of info explaining the delay.

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Thats my biggest gripe in all reality. Delays happen. Its understandable. What isn't is the total lack of thought they put into their marketing.

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Originally Posted by shane239

I'm not missing the point in any way Velhart! I understand that people want info on when the patch is coming out! You think I dont. I'm just saying that I'm sure Yoshi has his reasons for not telling us. People would rage a whole lot more if Yoshi released something like "Patch in 5 days!" then half a day later "Sorry guys had another fatal error and have to push the patch back another 2 weeks!"

My point was people need to relax! Chill! Good things come to those who wait!

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Then he needs to come out and say something. I cannot find a good reason the developers can't come out and say we are delaying the patch, or at least acknowledge us. We pay monthly for this game now, and in doing so, I expect better service, and so far it has been pretty bad in terms of communication. They don't even need to give us a date, just say "something".