About Esuna, Exalted Detriment and Leeches change

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Originally Posted by Thunda_Cat_SMASH

As a counterpoint, what cleanable DoT in game is that strong? As a DPS I've purposely taken every DoT in the face just to count the damage done per tick, and there isn't a single one in game that does over 2k. That's chump change. That's the equivalent of healing the tank cause he has maybe 500 HP damage. It's a waste of MP, and any feelings to the contrary is factually akin to a placebo effect.

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Probably the Sagittariuses in Baelsar's Wall. I always found it easier to cleanse the dots rather than waste my time healing through them. The combined potencies can and will kill a dps.

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Originally Posted by Thunda_Cat_SMASH

As a counterpoint, what cleanable DoT in game is that strong? As a DPS I've purposely taken every DoT in the face just to count the damage done per tick, and there isn't a single one in game that does over 2k. That's chump change. That's the equivalent of healing the tank cause he has maybe 500 HP damage. It's a waste of MP, and any feelings to the contrary is factually akin to a placebo effect.

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Off the top of my head, I think the second boss from Cutters cry has a pretty damaging dot. (people could actually be dying from the dot+boss damage though so maybe the dot isn't that powerful, I'm not sure.)

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Originally Posted by Thunda_Cat_SMASH

As a counterpoint, what cleanable DoT in game is that strong? As a DPS I've purposely taken every DoT in the face just to count the damage done per tick, and there isn't a single one in game that does over 2k. That's chump change. That's the equivalent of healing the tank cause he has maybe 500 HP damage. It's a waste of MP, and any feelings to the contrary is factually akin to a placebo effect.

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So rather than rallying against the removal of expected debuff removal, why don't you rally for the increased impactfulness of healers doing their actual job?

There's not much more worth saying really, when people say things like "I just let people who stand in bad stuff die, it's a waste of mana"; well, it's a waste of a conversation. Shit happens, all the time. There has to be a degree of flexibility for learning and experience, and flat out bad luck (lag, random factors, unavoidable factors). Statements of absolution are just not useful in the conversation, it's not realistic.

I'm not sure if the idea of dps over all as a healer is as pervasive in game as it seems to be on this forum currently, but it's kinda strange if it is. Why don't people who enjoy DPS while forsaking healing just forsake healing? Sure, fitting in the highest dps you can while doing your job is part of the enthrallment, but surely your first desire would be to have your job be more compelling and time consuming in the first place? Is responding to a dangerous debuff less engaging as a healer to you than hitting your malefic/brawn/holy button another time?

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Originally Posted by Furious

Is responding to a dangerous debuff less engaging as a healer to you than hitting your malefic/brawn/holy button another time?

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To some people apparently so....I mean I love to deal damage to a boss whenever I can in a dungeon or raid, but I know that my primary purpose as a Healer is to keep people alive, which means healing, removing DoTs or crippling debuffs, reviving, being able to damage is just a secondary part of a Healers kit, nothing we can do damage wise can EVER come close to BLM, SMN, DRG, BRD, MCH, Nin and soon RDM (Red Mage). If Healers cannot except this fact, then they shouldnt be playing healers.

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Originally Posted by Phixx

2: BRD and MCH both lost their MP and TP regens to Role Abilities, but I have not come across a thread where they are complaining, why is that? (Or can you find one to prove me wrong on this)

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Because as far as the brd side (my secondary FWIW) the songs didn't just go poof. Those abilities went to role, while the original songs were modified both to make them not punish the brd for using them and to give useful utility to the group when they are going and bonuses for using the songs in certain orders. It's going to be a very rare brd now who doesn't use songs, rather than the other way around. So brds really lost nothing having those moved to role abilities since using those were more situational and gained very much on their base songs.

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Originally Posted by Ootarion

I mean, I love the fact that as a Healer I can DPS when I need to/want to, but yeah.....if I need to dispel debuffs on a moment's notice, id rather have the means to do so all the time, and having to sacrifice a Cross Role slot to equip something that should by all accounts remain a built in ability to the Healers, is not very good design.

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If you want esuna, take esuna. But there is a lot of content where it doesn't matter. Allowing healers to make this decision is much better design than the cc system IMO, where taking certain skills is a must and most classes didn't get meaningful choice.

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Originally Posted by winsock

If you want esuna, take esuna. But there is a lot of content where it doesn't matter. Allowing healers to make this decision is much better design than the cc system IMO, where taking certain skills is a must and most classes didn't get meaningful choice.

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Going to be honest, but I'd have much rather seen them put Repose in cross-role rather than Esuna.

Role actions only make since if all the jobs didn't already have the skill.

All these arguments that are saying the Esuna thing was to give SCH access earlier than 30 is probably the truth but such a ridiculous reason. Many of us were more than able to handle the pre-30 content without it.

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Originally Posted by Maku

Role actions only make since if all the jobs didn't already have the skill.

All these arguments that are saying the Esuna thing was to give SCH access earlier than 30 is probably the truth but such a ridiculous reason. Many of us were more than able to handle the pre-30 content without it.

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SCH can't have access earlier than 30 because prior to 30 they're an ARC, which is a DPS.

Well, I guess it'd work for level sync, but when did you ever need it prior to Brayflox?

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Originally Posted by Odd2oul

Probably the Sagittariuses in Baelsar's Wall. I always found it easier to cleanse the dots rather than waste my time healing through them. The combined potencies can and will kill a dps.

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As as mentioned below the worm in Cutter's Cry can really hurt, too. And that first boss in Sastasha HM will murder you if you don't cleanse. Brayflox, too. That poison can hurt.