I chose BRD for swift gameplay, if I wanted to cast I would have chosen a Mage.

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Originally Posted by Gallus

You may want to have a conversation with a level 60 DRG.

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I have; they didn't change, just had stuff added. Post 50, had some positional stuff added under the effects of Blood of the Dragon which can be re-added using said abilities. But it didn't add a cast timer on to all of they're melee attacks if I'm not mistaken.

I said 'added' a bunch.

I think We don't have to touch Minuet as long as all the other skills we get in Heavensward are usable outside it.
And I don't really recommand changing the songs and skills we had in ARR since it will change everything we were talking about until now no?

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Originally Posted by Raiker

Yes, like all other classes that had something added to them. Other classes did not change completely.

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A new skill that is a boost to damage but could turn into a damage drop if you try to use when you need to be moving around. I'm glad they didn't add something like that to BLM.

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Originally Posted by Lewtskie

Hey, I was just playing the fallacy on your overblown false claim. Besides, you started it with saying a Healer would pop Clerics during a healing phase, lol. Maybe you should relax a little.

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The implication was that popping Cleric's without intensive knowledge of the fight (ie, knowing when there are lapses in incoming damage) would punish a healer FAAAAAAR more significantly than it would punish a BRD for mis-clicking or mis-timing a Minuet. This won't always be the case (a movement-heavy burn phase would be an example where it would not), but for the most part, 15 seconds of being trapped in Minuet is SIGNIFICANTLY less risky than 6 seconds of being trapped in CS.

Technically, CS is "optional", but it's less optional for healers playing at the highest level of endgame.

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Originally Posted by StouterTaru

A new skill that is a boost to damage but could turn into a damage drop if you try to use when you need to be moving around. I'm glad they didn't add something like that to BLM.

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You are correct. Don't get the validity here. Did something happen to them that if they moved while under the effects of Blood of the Dragon they stopped auto attacking? Or did they add a casting time to jumps or something?

See where I'm going with this. Besides, we're not discussing dragoon.

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Originally Posted by Raiker

I have; they didn't change, just had stuff added. Post 50, had some positional stuff added under the effects of Blood of the Dragon which can be re-added using said abilities. But it didn't add a cast timer on to all of they're melee attacks if I'm not mistaken.

I said 'added' a bunch.

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What's the difference between "changing" and "having stuff added"?

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Originally Posted by Gallus

...which by the way brings me to my next issue...drama on every raid because the BRD is being an elitist jerk and is using minuette instead of foe because this way their own DPS is being inflated more despite foe adding more real raid damage. This is a scenario I know SE wants to avoid at all costs.

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I think my suggestion might still be interesting though, because it can potentially separate good Bards from bad ones. The good ones will know when to prioritize their MP for party support over their own DPS, the bad ones will just spam the new Minuet and Final Assault all the way through and be a hindrance.

Either way, at least my suggestion only adds to the Bard's core mechanics instead of changing us into a completely different character, something that I believe is what most Bards are asking for, not the one we have now. With my suggestion, whether a bard is good or bad, they can still play it the way most of them have always loved to play it: like Legolas.

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Originally Posted by Lewtskie

Hey, I was just playing the fallacy on your overblown false claim. Besides, you started it with saying a Healer would pop Clerics during a healing phase, lol. Maybe you should relax a little.

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The whole cleric thing started because a poster claimed that BRDs were the only job that had to go through getting discriminated for not using minuette, which is just...well...false. Then I compared cleric stance with minuette in the sense that both have a recast timer and need to be popped up in specific scenarios (cleric on less healing intensive phases and minuette on phases that require little movement). Both punish the user for not using it appropriately.

you want swift gameplay? join our ninja clan.

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Originally Posted by Evangela

you want swift gameplay? join our ninja clan.

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Already have. Thanks though, fellow Shinobi.

I'm a career Bard, but my sub is a Ninja. Hoping to get it from 50 to 60 soon.