Zoidac Weapon 2.28

Feedback on Zodiak quest:

a. The difficulty in obtaining the atma's is the complete randomness of getting one. If there was a stacking echo buff that increased your % chance with every 20-30 fates that might be helpful so that some are not spending 40-60 hours on one atma alone.

b. My wife has given up on atma, she has spent more than 60 hours trying to find her first one.

c. Numerous people in many of the atma zones have spent 60h+ trying to find the one atma in that zone
d. I was lucky and grabbed 3 atma's within the first 1-3 fates in their respective zones

e. only once did I have to wait days for one to spawn (about 24 hours farming)

f. I accumulated ~200,000 seals farming atma, on average of 100-150 seals per fate that is 2000 fates
g. I am pretty perturbed at the fact that there is only a +2 bonus to my weapon after pounding out so many hours to get the myth and then another log to activate the book.

(part 2)
h. Furthermore, it's retarded to have the quest NPC say o, you want those worthless books? er no, please waste days of your life and give me 1500 myth for those.

I. AOE farming of 50 myth can be done with AOE classes and War tank in 5 min. This creates a disproportionate time advantage for those "non-AOE folk" who have to use duty finder because parties kick non-AOE classes who take a min 10-12 min per run plus the 20-60 min queue for another run. Let's see, AOE class, 1500 myth in 3 hours, non-AOE class using duty finder, 21 hours per book.

j. Use that same ratio 3:21 for AOE/non AOE class for all 9 books and you have 27 hours to 189 hours just for the myth farming alone.

k. While we are on the topic of AOE farming, AOE atma farming, if it's at all based on how many mobs you can hit, the AOE classes again comes out ahead.

I think the "fight a super hard battle to get your relic" is a much better model the "super easy but super long" model that they did with the atma weapons. I understand why they tried out the 2nd method though, Titan was so hard to pass for some people, they resorted to buying the runs. The result is about the same though: only a small percentage of people will get their relic at first but I prefer the 1st method because I can find a group to beat the fight and I will never touch the 2nd method. The 1st method also allows the option for people to buy their runs (the so called "Mercenary system") so you will actually have more people running around the weapons, which is even more reason to stick with this model. However, the first model does support "the elites" more than the "casuals."

Either way, I'm fine with either model, since they both will take most people a long time to get their weapons. I'm fine if they nerf the current atma model too as long as it doesn't turn into a "super easy, not that long" model, aka "the handout" model, that so many people are whining for.

I'm a casual and I'm not looking for the "handout mode" for Atma, but I truly want the feeling of progression with the quest. I'm not opposed to the quest taking 4-6 more months to complete.

What is so difficult for me is a whole play session goes by with my limited time-frame, and I have nothing to show for it and no feeling of accomplishment or progression.

I just want to feel like I'm working towards something, and not just randomly doing things.

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Originally Posted by SweDDishB

I'm a casual and I'm not looking for the "handout mode" for Atma, but I truly want the feeling of progression with the quest. I'm not opposed to the quest taking 4-6 more months to complete.

What is so difficult for me is a whole play session goes by with my limited time-frame, and I have nothing to show for it and no feeling of accomplishment or progression.

I just want to feel like I'm working towards something, and not just randomly doing things.

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This !!! I have a limited time to play in a week and if I go for a 4h session on the evening and I have nothing to show for it. It is very frustrating. Some say you can farm Titan X for 4h and don't get the clear but at least it wont be about luck, it's about skill.

Bottom line : A full game session with showing any progress is frustrating

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Originally Posted by SionDurant

This is code for we know the current system is awful and we want to make sure Novus isn't as equally bad so that we don't get turbo ragequits.

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By awful you mean we won't hand them out like in wow but people cry cause they have to invest time even when we made it soloable. Or u mean awful like - used an Ingenious solution which not only helps those leveling by putting the population back into the world and fates as well as shortening dungeon queues?

Love the short sighted kids that wow brought Into the genre.

If it's not obvious I love the quest and we need more like it. Only my main will have animus anytime soon but all jobs but one have atma ATM, working on the last one as I type this.

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Originally Posted by NoRyoKu

This !!! I have a limited time to play in a week and if I go for a 4h session on the evening and I have nothing to show for it. It is very frustrating. Some say you can farm Titan X for 4h and don't get the clear but at least it wont be about luck, it's about skill.

Bottom line : A full game session with showing any progress is frustrating

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Nah titan is about luck. U won't beat it if u queue with 7 other remedials. As for getting something for your playtime. Your choosing to do the atma quest. They aren't forcing you nor is their a clause in the Eula that says we have to provide you with a reward each time you play. It's the mindset fostered by the current generation of games due to the new mmoers making it necessary.

So my post isn't COMPLETELY negative. Not sure if your doing atmas as a group or solo... Nor am I sure if their is a difference in drop rate when it comes to contribution or number of people participating. What I do know is the longest it has taken me for one full set is about 2.5 days (this was playing 8-10 hours a day so roughly 25 hours) and it has been solo.

Don't get bored or frustrated and give up. U could quit just 1 fate short of your drop and the next time you do fates or log on have to start right over. The more time you can devote the better your chances. If your only doing an hour here or an hour there... It will be totally luck based and likely take ages.

(Love having to split up posts due to some pointless character limit though. I truly sympathize with people who post guides and such)

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Originally Posted by klepp0906

(Love having to split up posts due to some pointless character limit though. I truly sympathize with people who post guides and such)

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You can edit your original post to bypass the character limit.

I usually just post a thread. When I get the error message I cut out the extra text and post. Then edit post and paste the rest of it in there.

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Originally Posted by Saerk

Everyone should have to put the same amount of time into it. I don't care how long. The only reason this is even a two sided argument is because of people like you who got lucky, and people like me who are getting shafted

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Again
"Everyone should have to put the same amount of time into it."

No.