60 Minute Time Limit on New Dungeons

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Originally Posted by Draco

Other MMO companies cant grasp something yet they are all more successfull. All I am saying is that if I want difficutly, which I do, I want it to come in the form of everyone having to work together to play smarter, not harder. I would love to see Crowd Control, or having to separate mobs when you fight them and other tactics that makes fighting trash difficult. When it comes time to kill a boss, would be nice to have a boss that is sectional, or a boss that spawns minions, or someone you need to move from spot to spot because standing in the same spot for the entire fight could spell dissaster. Those are just some random thoughts. What I am hoping I dont see is a mindless zerg to get time increasses all the way to the end where you fight a boss that is still unique to the game, but a tank and spank just the same.

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That's exactly it. The Time Limits make you think about how you should best get through the dungeon by being smart about it...That's the whole point. If you aren't working hard to begin with and not paying attention, you would be bound for death anyway. In SE's games, they make you play smart. In better ways than WoW ever made me think.

In WoW it's just "okay, when big boss spins, you get away so you don't die, then get back on and keep chipping away at him".

In FFXI it's: If you don't get away from him before he uses this ability, he'll reset all of your recast timers. Which could potentially ruin the fight if you don't have your 2-hours readied.

I like time limit for now, it will give a challenge not to screw things. We will see more when it comes out.

FFXI also have NMs with auras that will easily ruin any fight if ill prepared, which can eat your time up nicely. Like Zombie Aura or Silence and Amnesia Auras >.>

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Originally Posted by Draco

Other MMO companies cant grasp something yet they are all more successfull. All I am saying is that if I want difficutly, which I do, I want it to come in the form of everyone having to work together to play smarter, not harder. I would love to see Crowd Control, or having to separate mobs when you fight them and other tactics that makes fighting trash difficult. When it comes time to kill a boss, would be nice to have a boss that is sectional, or a boss that spawns minions, or someone you need to move from spot to spot because standing in the same spot for the entire fight could spell dissaster. Those are just some random thoughts. What I am hoping I dont see is a mindless zerg to get time increasses all the way to the end where you fight a boss that is still unique to the game, but a tank and spank just the same.

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Since you've apparently never heard of FFXI...

Crowd control - most BCNMs, Divine Might, Long-Armed Chariot (all had time limits)
Boss that is sectional - not sure what you mean but PW probably fits the bill (time limits)
Boss that spawns minions - Kirin, Vrtra, Ouryu (Kirin wasn't timed but the rest were)
Move from spot to spot - Long-Armed Chariot in some strategies, Vrtra (time limits)

You should try FFXI sometime. I hear the people who made it worked on FFXIV too.

Ha. I'll leave this here:

http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Bloodeye_Vileberry

This NM literally uses Hide + Sneak Attack on the player with most hate.

"Sectional" Bosses are bosses that have multiple parts to take out before you can kill it, like a lot of old school FF games, or even FFXIII (and XIV with incaps).

Bosses that spawn minions Yeah, AV and PW are the kings of that.

lol funny something good happens, and people find a way to nitpick at it, especially when its not even out yet.. Classic never gets old

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Originally Posted by Elexia

Ha. I'll leave this here:

http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Bloodeye_Vileberry

This NM literally uses Hide + Sneak Attack on the player with most hate.

"Sectional" Bosses are bosses that have multiple parts to take out before you can kill it, like a lot of old school FF games, or even FFXIII (and XIV with incaps).

Bosses that spawn minions Yeah, AV and PW are the kings of that.

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I suppose Eald'narche and his Exoplates count as sectional then? So yeah.

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Originally Posted by Starlord

lol funny something good happens, and people find a way to nitpick at it, especially when its not even out yet.. Classic never gets old

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There's alot of "Stans" in here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-MqIIoc5r0

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Originally Posted by Tezz_Xivectro

There's alot of "Stans" in here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-MqIIoc5r0

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Hahahah. I love south park.

Since it is relevant I will make another reference to Monster Hunter.

In Monster Hunter every single quest has a time limit, usually of 50 minutes. There are a few incredibly difficult (bar having all endgame super gear) encounters that require a great degree of teamwork, effort and knowledge to take down. Lao Shan Lung, Shen Gaoren and Jhen Mohran.

The quest objective is to simply repel the monster. You can fairly easily achieve this by just doing enough damage. The good teams however will be able to kill these monsters. Rewards from repelling are decent at best, rewards from killing tend to be much better. More items, higher chances at rare items, etc... You have to really give your all as a team and know exactly what you're doing to kill these monsters within the time limit though. Given enough time anyone could kill them but the true challenge comes from the time limit imposed.

I'd like to think that's how it's going to work here. To beat everything within the time limit you're going to have to be a very well organized team who knows what they're doing and knows how to do their respective jobs correctly and efficiently. Having the 60 minute cap may mean you'll be down to the second on some runs, and you'll fail still sometimes. Hopefully it means that you'll have to really work together and cooperate as a team. Reward competent players, punish poor players.