if they made auto leveling for this game at this point (almost 3rank 50's) i would rage quit. the idea of putting them in a different game though, i don't hate but take warhammer, i can go from 1-max in like 3days with it. so any mmo that wants a real crafting classes wont do it this way.
i know this sounds like farming mobs but they should make crafting a form of killing mobs, make crafting and harvesting a npc that does it all for you. it crafts, or it is harvesting the node... your job is to protect it from hordes of mobs the hole time. for crafting in city maybe your job while it crafts is collecting items that can't be farmed or bought and bringing it to him, maybe mini games or something i dunno but you get my jist. npc does it all while we do something fun to keep that say npc to keep crafting for us.
Fall back and regroup: time for crafting autoleveller?
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06-19-2011, 08:43 AMweeble
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06-19-2011, 12:32 PMPeregrineEasy bake oven's worthless if you can't afford the ingredients.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aenarion
Maybe you like to mindlessly spam cheap mats because you know you could never cut an XI system where crafters can show the money and blow through 100 levels of something that took you a year and a half to afford in 4 weeks.
Don't drag everyone down to drone status just for the opportunity to keep up. -
06-19-2011, 01:27 PMAenarionYES!, MOAR ad hominem plz! need more delicious troll tear :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Peregrine
also, time to come out and just admit you hate crafting but love gathering, it's pretty obvious to anyone with half a braincell left still. -
06-20-2011, 12:28 AMPeregrine
I like crafting. Yesterday I made an engraved Bhuj+3. What did you do?
Probably spammed enter and made a pile of garbage with those life hours.
I'm a crafter. Dunno what you are. -
06-20-2011, 12:41 AMTheVedisnotice how he likes to insult peopleQuote:
Originally Posted by Peregrine
he must have really low self esteem -
06-20-2011, 07:03 AMAenarionmeh, failtrolls like him are dimes a dozen, seen plenty of his type before, they all think they're special :DQuote:
Originally Posted by TheVedis
Though I have to say, whenever I see people like him, I wish FF14 have EVE's pvp, makes it easier and more lol-worthy to extract troll tears -
06-20-2011, 08:06 AMPeregrine
I see a bunch of ragers that don't like what is said about their niche and have nothing left to defend their preferred playstyle with. It's simple. It's mindless. It's repetitive droning. And it's not worth rewarding a human to do.
They just don't want crafting to improve and actually become an interesting thing to do, because that means they'll be evicted from whatever position they have gained in it by default, when very few players of caliber bother with it.
The kings of button pressing, ladies and gents. They oughtta make it a sport, we have a lot of epic button pressers up in here who like what crafting has done to their "reputations." As epic button pressers.
Game's got to get better, folks. Not gonna be worth staying garbage, even if some players--turns out--love garbage.
Crafting has concentrated a group of default people who like its mindlessness because they'll take the payment for it. That's all there is to it. They want recognition, even if the only way they can keep it is if it's garbage recognition that no one else wants.
And again I say too bad. You all are not worth rewarding. Let alone worth keeping the crafting system this bad over. -
06-20-2011, 08:26 AMAenarionYes, because completely gutting and automating the entire crafting system makes it interesting, LOL.Quote:
Originally Posted by Peregrine
I'm not for the current crafting system, I'm just against your idea and the trolling by which you're presenting said idea.
There's nothing inherently wrong with automated manufacturing, it works wonderfully well in EVE. I just don't think such a system will work in FF14 without drastic change to the entire core mechanic behind crafting, gathering, loot drop and market system.
bottom line is, your idea have about as much chance to be adopted by SE as the radio guy getting the end of the world date right, which makes this entire thread and your other rants effectively pointless. -
06-20-2011, 09:19 AMMireilleQuote:
Originally Posted by Drex
I think the easier in this was the 'guild tasks' that are supposed to make it easier to get a craft to 20 so you can actually start playing the market. The crafting mechanics themselves are unchanged.
I agree in principle that spamming standard synthesis is hardly challenging. I craft and watch a movie while hitting the enter key, and I only really have to pay attention to crafts -/+ 5 to my level in case I need to use a trait to save a failing synth. This does need to change, and the crafting process should have some decision making that gets you into the process. I also sort of feel like if you are going to make an item for someone using mats that they farm or pay for then good decision making on the crafters part should come close to a guarantee for the success of the synth. I'm sure the little wizened old man over in England who hammers out Rolls Royce body parts over a wooden dowel doesn't toss 50% of them out due to synthesis failure at this stage of his life.
I don't agree with the idea that the servers are saturated with rank 50 crafters. Between two linkshells and 200+ members I know maybe 10 serious crafters with at least 1 craft at or close to 50. Most of the ls members aren't interested in crafting they want to spend their time killing stuff. Crafting should not be a gimme that lets someone bot all crafts to cap while they are in bed sleeping. At that point you might as well give people a machine that they feed mats and a recipe into and it spits out the item. -
06-20-2011, 10:46 AMweeble
well if your at the right levels and have a few good traights u should be doing grinds that feed you 600-800sp. those grinds are impossible to just totally spam, u have to use traights and you have to avoid reds for most part or you will fail almost every syth. personally i'd rather have the old ffxi system over any crafting system including ffxiv's,it is a more drawn out version of the same crap. and later when u'r not sp'ing and only crafting for gils it will be even more tedious and drawn out.
really theres nothing i can think of that can make "crafting" any more fun. no matter how u look at it, it would change to some forms of button smashing no matter what they change. the difference in any craft is the time it takes to do it. ffxi and ffxiv has very long forms of it, like warhammer i can go 1-max in a few days. without a doubt changing it now would not work, it's been to long. for other games your suggestions can work in the game. i don't think ffxiv style has a fit for autoleveling, it's intented to take a reaaaaly long time to do.
lol but i do like this idea i thought of for a new game ...hopefully se see's this and thinks about changing crafting totally in another mmo they make cause i'd love to see crafting change completly.
i know this sounds like farming mobs but they should make crafting a form of killing mobs, make crafting and harvesting a npc that does it all for you. it crafts, or it is harvesting the node... your job is to protect it from hordes of mobs the hole time. for crafting in city maybe your job while it crafts is collecting items that can't be farmed or bought and bringing it to him, maybe mini games or something i dunno but you get my jist. npc does it all while we do something fun to keep that say npc to keep crafting for us.