Dragoons: A Rotation Reborn

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Originally Posted by Manticzeus

I remember seeing a ifrit ex rotation discussion somewhere but i cant find the pages they were on. I was wondering what was everyones rotation. The last time i ran we had 2 bards so once the nail phase started i had DI and CT ready and used that on the first nail, heavy thrust then an ID, then switch to the next nail and did the same thing, seemed to work very well and getting the CT on the nail right away gave it more time to tick, is this optimal even with 2 bards or should i just be TTT? Also, what about a normal group comp without double bard or dragoon?

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I tried to find it but couldn't.. I vaguely remember EMX saying (some combo) then Tab-target Phlebotomize the rest of the nails. I don't remember exactly though.. Still working on Titan Ex myself

Edit: Found sort of the start around page 140, maybe a few posts before that but here's a link: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...=1#post1824871

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Originally Posted by Manticzeus

I remember seeing a ifrit ex rotation discussion somewhere but i cant find the pages they were on. I was wondering what was everyones rotation. The last time i ran we had 2 bards so once the nail phase started i had DI and CT ready and used that on the first nail, heavy thrust then an ID, then switch to the next nail and did the same thing, seemed to work very well and getting the CT on the nail right away gave it more time to tick, is this optimal even with 2 bards or should i just be TTT? Also, what about a normal group comp without double bard or dragoon?

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Normal comp? 4 ranged :P at least in this server some ifrit parties do not want melee.

I run with 2 BRD and a BLM, i don't think IDC, or TTT warrants that much of a game changing effect. But i respect EMX because his insight is always valuable and important.
The ranged usually gets one down when i land IDC on the 2nd one, so i just elusive jump/Dragonfire or Spineshatter to the others.

is the most recent version of logrep working post patch? I had heard there were issues with calculations being generated and some of the numbers were suspect.

I got the heros bracelet and getting heros neck very shortly.. Did coil and got the allagan pants

Is 453 ACC enough for T5? I've been doing it with 468 ACC but since I got my maiming sollerets last week, I'm kind of worried if I'll be fine with 453.

Here's my gears atm, http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...acter/4117621/

Best rotation is still the:

H IDC P TTT H TTT
P IDC H TTT P TTT one?


Can't wait until I get the Dragoon at 50 so I can compare its DPS to monk's in Darklight + Relic.

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Originally Posted by snowybell

Normal comp? 4 ranged :P at least in this server some ifrit parties do not want melee.

I run with 2 BRD and a BLM, i don't think IDC, or TTT warrants that much of a game changing effect. But i respect EMX because his insight is always valuable and important.
The ranged usually gets one down when i land IDC on the 2nd one, so i just elusive jump/Dragonfire or Spineshatter to the others.

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Which is a shame cuz melee are perfectly viable on that (all) fights as long as they think a little about there positioning. Too many melee throw themselves into searing wind to give us a bad rep =(

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Originally Posted by Gamemako

Did you ever parse those?

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Parse what about them?



On the fast conflag topic:

Disembowel -> TTT

You basically get 4 guaranteed GCDs during fast conflag. It's possible to get 5 depending on your SS and whether or not your SCH is running Selene and/or has the buff up at the time. However, 4 GCDs is reliable. DE+TTT is the highest 4. Insert off-GCDs in between as necessary/available.


On the Ifrit EX nail sequence:

- On the first nails there's not much you can do. Just TTT.
- On the second nails you can tab-PH to good effect. Not much else besides that and TTT.
- On the third nails, you can: (a) tab-PH, (b) Doomspike the pair nails, (c) stagger IDC continuously.


Method (c) is advanced and really fun, but takes a lot of attention to do while still using your off-GCD abilities and maintaining HT.

The method is to use ID on the first nail, DE on the second, then CT on the third nail. Then, go back and use ID on the second nail, then DE on the third, then CT on the fourth, and so on.

I - 1
D - 2
C - 3

I - 2
D - 3
C - 4

I - 3
D - 4
C - 5

...

I - 10
D - 11
C - 12

Etc. This will use Impulse Drive on the DE-debuffed nail. The method uses CT on the nail furthest ahead (that you can manage) so the DoT ticks up well. It also inflicts the DE debuff as soon as is reasonable for synergy with Bard pew pew behind you. It also causes you to move around the arena more slowly so you don't risk running into the howl like tab-PH might.

Thats what I've been doin lately, at the start I was just doin like ID DE and PH on the 2nd nail, then rince and repeat .. and then I realised that it wasn't really something really good on the long term :p

so i'm i90 now and a bit worried about my dps.

I've been trying to figure out a good reference point for me to test it on but i'm not sure what a good parser is right now with the 2.16 update.

Also, would parsing a dummy be the best thing to do, or maybe parsing on atomos?