They should not look like the charr at all. That would create a strange and in my opinion, unpalatable character.Quote:
Originally Posted by zeylos
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06-23-2019, 02:20 AMArngrim_Greyashe
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06-23-2019, 02:24 AMTheodric
It seems like an attempt to make a niche even more of a niche.
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06-23-2019, 03:14 AMCrushnightI try to be, though few weeks ago i did get really angry at one particular poster but they used a homophobic derogatory term multiple times, i took a temp ban for it, its why most stuff in this thread is tame especially after that and i've sorta worn myself out on the issue from the gender lock thread after Paris and this one, that said my support for both male Viera and female Hrothgar is unwavered nobody can stop it XDQuote:
Originally Posted by Arngrim_Greyashe
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06-23-2019, 03:28 AMGwenorai
You're more likely to have female Hrothgar look like Garif. Which, honestly male Hrothgar looks like - which hilariously enough is seen in FF12... where you only see the males. Same body type - with Hrothgar being a tad burlier. They walk in a similar way, they're also hunched over, covered in fur besides some patches - which is near bang on for Hrothgar. And have mane-like hair. It's like they just removed the mask and made the face beastial like while keeping the Garif body.
Makes me wonder if Hrothgar were originally Garif to be honest but then edited to be the more iconic 'Ronso' look alike. Especially since Garif don't take off their masks...
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06-23-2019, 04:00 AMMylionareI'd almost completely forgotten about the Garif. That's actually a very interesting observation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gwenorai
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06-23-2019, 04:30 AMzeylosI never knew they existed lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Mylionare
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06-23-2019, 05:06 AMSturmChurroI do not agree at all. If female au ra were gonna be tall, then they would be slim like the males! Highlander maybe, since highlander is just a resized miqo'te body with a muscle slider.Quote:
Originally Posted by zeylos
Charr females, I'm sorry, look ugly. I would never play a female hrothgar if they looked like that, and I can guarantee you the majority of people wouldn't either, there would probably be less of them than female ROE! -
06-23-2019, 05:36 AMzeylosI think that female au ra should be like the concepts.Quote:
Originally Posted by SturmChurro
I personally love female charr, but I'm 100% ok with the first concept too, just something that's bestial, and I bet SE will go for something like that, which is less unique but will sell more -
06-23-2019, 05:46 AMSturmChurroLike I said before, unlike male viera, ronso females have already appeared. Expect probably a slightly remodeled female Roe body (maybe a slimmer waste like males), with fur texture plastered over it, and human feet. That is literally what it will be, I'm almost certain. That's what males are.Quote:
Originally Posted by zeylos
I expect even less effort given towards male viera for their bodies specifically, since they can just reuse what they already have. If they ever did come out with either. -
06-23-2019, 05:51 AMzeylosProbabaly. I want the head that concept has tho at leastQuote:
Originally Posted by SturmChurro
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06-23-2019, 06:31 AMzeylos
https://i.imgur.com/tOGuXAo.jpg
This is what I meant by masculine female hrotgar, and I'd love them to be like this
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06-23-2019, 06:48 AMSenn
I was wondering what kind of food viera would eat since they're based on rabbits. I was thinking they would be vegan or something, but it turns out some rabbits can eat meat. Some are even cannibals.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nsEcr4HXTOc
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06-23-2019, 06:57 AMGwenorai
Thought about it myself, part of me wants them to be like Bosmer. Bosmer don't eat vegetation - at least those who follow the Greenpact don't. Greenpact is something that is basically very similar to the Green Word that Viera follow in protecting the wood. So, does make it little sense for them to not damage the wood/jungle and nurture it - and that includes not damaging it/eating it. Bosmer are also cannibalistic xD
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06-23-2019, 07:01 AMSennDude what if viera are cannibalsQuote:
Originally Posted by Gwenorai
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06-23-2019, 07:43 AMRodaFun fact! Charr actually have a whole bunch of sexual dimorphism! (and It's my favorite form of fantasy sexual dimorphism anywhere) It's just not designed around making the females look sexier to (straight) human males. It's designed around making the males look sexier to (straight) charr females! While the females' bodies are sleek and streamlined, their horns are simple and smooth, and their canines are long, but not in the way, the males on the other hand are jagged and bulky, their horns are HUGE and gnarled, and their mouths are so full of jagged tusks they can barely close them! All brutal and scary characteristics that don't actually have any real functional use outside of display, and bonus points is that the males are allowed to look brutal and cool while the females are also just as brutal and cool!Quote:
Originally Posted by zeylos
And while I am a HUUUUUUUUUUGE fan of how the female charr were handled, I don't think the fem hrothgar should follow their form exactly. Hunch, yes. Muscle, yes. Lion face, yes. But dial it all back a bit to match the blend of the male hrothgars. If we are comparing them to the males of their species (which we should instead of comparing them to the females of other species) my changes would be: For the face: make the eyes a big bigger, lower set, and almond shaped. Make the snout a bit more petite. And mix things up with the horns and fangs. For the body: change up the fur patterns. Make their shoulders/torso a bit narrower than the males without being waify. Have more of a noticeable taper for the neck without having it be a twig neck. Widen the hips. Thicken and lengthen the legs. And of course, if you must, give them some breasts that would be compressed in a sports bra style bra. (though i'd be fine with the Charr style "six or none")
But I'm not a fan of the fem hrothgar looking like that first picture comparatively, she's way too skinny and human when putting her next to the males. The muscles don't seem to be adding any actual mass to her figure making her body fat seem to be scary low. (since women have a higher percentage of bodyfat compared to men due to the whole needing energy to have the babies thing, defined muscles are a lot harder to achieve unless you're dangerously low on body fat or a big ol' slab o' STRONK, and even then it's gonna be softer than that with a healthy level of fat.)
I did a post on the fem hrothgar thread of my ideal, and to get back on topic, I'll probably do one for the male viera as well. (I'm just so bad at capturing masculinity >.< ...and also actually drawing like a not-lazy not-coward)
I think "masculine" is a bad term for it and we really shouldn't use it to describe strong women, or "feminine" to describe slender men.Quote:
Originally Posted by zeylos
It's correlating physical strength with belonging to men, and weakness belonging to women. And that's... not a great lens to view people with..
A woman who looks to improve her body and happens to take up more space with that strength is no less of a woman than one who does not.
And inversely a man who does not build muscle as bulk, or chooses not to build muscle much at all is no less of a man than one who does.
Yadda yadda, the amount of space you take up is not a requirement or qualification of a certain gender expression, blah blah blah, I hope y'all got my point.
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06-23-2019, 07:59 AMHomuculi
No. Be happy we even got new races.
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06-23-2019, 08:00 AMSennWhy?Quote:
Originally Posted by Homuculi
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06-23-2019, 08:01 AMXuledI agree with this lass. What's wrong with Hrothgar fulfilling that fantasy? They look amazing, I'm strongly considering changing to one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Homuculi
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06-23-2019, 08:03 AMGwenoraiI mean they do, for some folks. Sadly folks don't all share the same fantasy. -sad violin sounds-Quote:
Originally Posted by Xuled
This response reminds me of my good old mum when I was a toddler.Quote:
Originally Posted by Homuculi
'Mum' I would say, as I stared at my Cauliflower - I didn't exactly like the taste of cauliflower - 'Can I have broccoli instead? I like broccoli.'
Mum dearest would then proceed to get in a power stance, picking me up and pile driving me into the floor leaving my shook and scared. She moved from me with the grace of a coerl and then whispered in my ear. 'No, be happy you got food at all. People in Africa would kill for that cauliflower.'
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06-23-2019, 08:03 AMRoda
Hrothgar do not fulfill the same fantasy as being a lithe rabbit-variant forest elf and vice versa.
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06-23-2019, 08:07 AMHomuculiBecause I'd personally prefer they focus the team on creating more quality content for us (raids/dungeons/etc) which will help retain the increased playerbase which will come with the release of ShB, rather than wasting those resources and time on creating alternate sexes for the races.Quote:
Originally Posted by Senn
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06-23-2019, 08:10 AMRoda
I can tell you now, if they have character artists working on that content, those raids will not be quality.
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06-23-2019, 08:13 AMAmnmaatI'd like Male Viera to bring some kind of "Green Word" job, closest one to that would be Green mage.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alacran
https://i.imgur.com/jNc1H6v.png
I'd like Viera to be Vegan while Hrothgar are carnivorousQuote:
Originally Posted by Senn
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06-23-2019, 08:14 AMRoda
[Whispers] Beast master
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06-23-2019, 08:14 AMTheodric
I see that the thread is heading into questionable territory again...
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06-23-2019, 08:15 AMSturmChurroYes, these are handled by entirely different teams. However, the inclusion of new races (missing genders), as stated by Yoshida, would halt/slow their patch release schedule.Quote:
Originally Posted by Roda
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06-23-2019, 08:17 AMGwenoraiOnly if I can do squats while eating meat as a Viera and open every conversation with 'I'm a carnivore, there are many health benefits to eating meat. You should eat meat too.' and 'As a carnivore, I believe that 'insert random thing that has nothing to do with my eating habits and has zero relevance.', I will accept this. Just for my own amusement of course.Quote:
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06-23-2019, 08:17 AMRodaI don't see any questionable topics.Quote:
Originally Posted by Theodric
And the enTIRE point of non-human races is to fill a character design niche....
And I for one elect Eureka 2.0 for the content to be slowed to facilitate new and interesting character opportunities!Quote:
Originally Posted by SturmChurro
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06-23-2019, 08:17 AMSennIt would be nice if the dev team finds a way for that not to happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by SturmChurro
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06-23-2019, 08:20 AMTheodricNo, thank you.Quote:
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Let's not drag the thread back to the point where people were arguing about which content should and should not be sacrificed in favour of something else. It simply isn't constructive and serves to alienate supporters. -
06-23-2019, 08:21 AMArngrim_GreyasheAnd this is the kind of request and mindset that makes people dislike the male viera supporters even more. If you ask for content to be sacrificed for the other genders, you're going the wrong way.Quote:
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06-23-2019, 08:27 AMLaurontSo it amounts to "I prefer things I want added." Fair enough, but I would like to see male Viera added. However, you mention content that they would in practice never really sacrifice in the first place. I see a lot of people do this. It's not content on the margins. If anything, they would sooner lower gear output than that, but let's consider that the investment could well pay for itself (and should, if they design the missing genders to be appealing enough), much like the two current ones being added were added on an expectation of heightened profits. So, they potentially need not slow down their pace at all. The thing it would probably cost is more manpower but before SE is going to make that investment I imagine they will want to see 1) how well ShB does and 2) how profitable the new races have proven.Quote:
Originally Posted by Homuculi
Also, no offence to those who got what they wanted, but for me, the new races don't really add too much because I don't intend to play either option added. So, whilst I'm happy for those who got what they wanted, the value to me as a consumer is very limited, so not sure why I should just "be happy" with what was added.
I fully expect, though, that they will weigh it against the benefit of updating character customisation and the textures more broadly, because the latter especially could do wonders for enhancing the game's longevity and also ease the addition of the missing genders, if they can crack the nut of efficiently converting the assets as intended. -
06-23-2019, 08:28 AMRodaQuote:
Originally Posted by Arngrim_Greyashe
I mean I hate to use the "they started it" move, but literally they came into the thread saying "I don't want your requests to be catered to because I want my requests to be catered to" Forgive me if I want to find some common ground with the people who think that way by offering up the bland grind, that locked behind a bunch of desired cosmetics behind RNG boxes, that most of the playerbase ignored after anemos as a sacrificial lamb /shrugQuote:
Originally Posted by Theodric
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06-23-2019, 08:32 AMArngrim_GreyasheSo you resort to childish antics and tell people that content needs to be sacrificed for the other genders? Wrong approach.Quote:
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06-23-2019, 08:32 AMTheodric
My own stance has not changed. If they add the missing genders? Great. If not? Oh well. In itself the missing genders are not enough to sour me on the game. The premise of the expansion and revealed content is practically guaranteed to keep me invested so long as it is equal to or greater than either Heavensward or Stormblood.
I doubt that we'll see anything until 6.0 at the earliest. The development team work on a very tight schedule already and the increase of active players is going to have them doubling down on their current work load.
Quite a lot of people went through the full Eureka experience, though. Even right not all four of the maps are bustling with activity - and that's just on Crystal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Roda
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06-23-2019, 08:32 AMAmnmaat
It's like Female Roegadyn and Male Miqo'te, anyone against male Viera is on the wrong side of what the devs ultimately want. We have more proof towards adding the missing genders than not, this is factual, not opinion.
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06-23-2019, 08:33 AMLaurontOn this occasion though the issue was specifically framed that way, i.e. the poster stated they don't want male Viera added because content would be slowed or cut as a result. That could happen depending on how SE go about it, but 1) the way in which they prioritise which content to develop means not everything is as likely to see development on it halted (raids and dungeons, for example, are not at all likely candidates) and they're likely to rationalise this on the cost-benefit of the feature in question and 2) it can be readily circumvented by increasing the game's budget, especially if adding the missing genders would prove profitable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arngrim_Greyashe
So my advice to those wanting the missing genders added is that it'd be best to simply redirect the discussion to those points, rather than arguing on the premise that something must be cut.
I'm always intrigued as to why Eureka comes up first. Yes, it was unpopular when it opened, but the changes made following Pagos have improved player engagement with it significantly. -
06-23-2019, 08:34 AMGwenoraiAt least we can still be handsome Hyur men, Theodric. All is not lost. Maybe we can get a handsome WoD beard as a consolation prize.Quote:
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06-23-2019, 08:37 AMSennI hope we aren't accused of attacking people because a disagreement happened again lol Disagreement = targeted attacks apparentlyQuote:
Originally Posted by Roda
Well, I'll be honest and and say I did ask them "why" on purpose. If someone comes in here bluntly saying "no", I'll just ask why. If they elaborate, maybe someone could offer their perspective. That's just my thinking, anyway. If that's an attack, then I don't even know man -
06-23-2019, 08:37 AMTheodricYep. Hyur are great! I'm mostly waiting on completing the MSQ in 5.0 to figure out which flavour of Hyur (Hume?) I want to play next. I quite like Raen/Xaela too so that's something else I can fall back on as an additional option.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gwenorai
...and yes, that stubble really needs to be added as an option. Especially with the benchmark teasing it.