Wow, Wuk Lamat is really single-handedly ruining the DT story...

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Originally Posted by AvoSturmfaust

People are crying about Wuk Lamat get used to it, Square finished with EW a huge Book the new Expansion is like ARR its the first start of a ramp up and sorry to say but ARR was the worst story/mmo experience i ever had so it wasnt great either, so just give it some time to actually ramp up again and build a fundament and wuk lamat will be a part of it if you like it or not, im more disappointed that the scions are already in the story, i really hoped the new start of a story makes room to get rid of the god damn pain in the ass scions and the god damn twins but sadly not.

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Hey im gonna ask u a question where on this doll did Wuk Lamat touch you? Don't worry this place is a safe space she won't know you snitched. All jokes tho. Chill breath relax go touch grass.

I love how Yawntrail is further cementing how toxic the community actually is ,and all that positivity stuff is a farce since u have ppl like this and man baby.

Yeah Wuk Lamat sucks, this is start of 10 years if the writing is this piss poor it means they learned nothing repeating the past mistakes does not make it better it just keeps proving a point ppl have with the game.

Also this community toxic positivity is literally just as bad as the toxic behavior. Chill it with the venom just cause someone doesn't like your furry mom doesn't give you right to throw ppl down. Many of you don't like zenos. I do but i'm not gonna sit here hunting ppl down like im terminally online....thats what basement dwellers and ppl with no amount of social skills do...

[QUOTE=Zakuyia;6539887]Hey im gonna ask u a question where on this doll did Wuk Lamat touch you? Don't worry this place is a safe space she won't know you snitched. All jokes tho. Chill breath relax go touch grass.

She didnt touch me, i rather dont care about her, i just think its funny to see how a good amount people here behave like the life depends on the story. Yea its not a great Story thats something i can accept but in the end its hard to build something great like the previous story was when people only complain about everything, just get used to wuk lamat, get used to the slow boring story beginning and wait maybe the post expansion story will be better and goes in the right direction and pls square get finally rid of the twin and this weird graha tia

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Originally Posted by Aneshda

Same here. I'm leveling my jobs and sending out my subs. I just don't have the energy to listen to Wuk Lamat anymore.
Wish I could say there were some memorable things up until the level 95 quests, but there wasn't a moment.
If SE wants to make up for this awful MSQ, then everyone should get a free MSQ story skip.

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I was gaslighting myself until msq lv 94 that things would get better and that Wuk Lamat isn't that bad, that's how much in denial I was regarding the deteriorating quality of the MSQ. Not once in my 10 years of playing have I ever had the urge to go do something else than MSQ on expansion launch but this time I used any excuse in the book to do literally anything else. Tried my hardest to like her and to excuse the poor writing, blatant pushing of undeserved fanservice (thinking you're part of Wols family has to be peak delusion), shoehorning her into every scene under the sun, ridiculous power-ups that go directly against the narrative from 2 quests ago and delegating the player character to be Wuk Lamats personal servant. I was surprised they didn't force a romance plot at this point, was fully expecting it with her knocking on WoLs door every 5 seconds. As soon as the 2nd half of the msq started and Wuk lamat invites herself into the party again, was the point where I fully lost it.
Genuinely, I do not understand how anyone can excuse this bad writing, the fanfictions I've written a decade ago have more substance and logic than this shoddy excuse of a story.

Wuk Lamat is one thing, the story itself isn't well written either, even without her in the picture. And the fact that they have to re-use the emotional punch from Shadowbringers and Endwalker to make us feel /anything/ should be telling how even the writers themselves didn't think that Dawntrail could stand on its own two feet. New beginning of a story on a totally new continent? Let's do Amaurot for the 3rd time now. Which wouldn't be as egregious IF they at least gave the 2nd half of the msq enough room to breath and establish itself but it was all rushed to the max. And I say that as someone who is in favor of exploring more shards and new worlds, I like my drama and epic adventure fantasy, a boring holiday season was never something I was looking forward too but I would have taken a boring beach episode over the mess we got in the end. At least a beach episode would ensure interesting character dynamics, just as we've gotten in Heavensward and ShB/EW, something that was completely missing from this expansion. No emotional scenes, no 1on1 with our old companions, Krille forgotten for 90% of the plot. Erenville reduced to Wuk Lamats 2nd babysitter. Sad.

The patches have to up their quality immensely for me to not quit on the spot until the next expansion.

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Originally Posted by AvoSturmfaust

just get used to wuk lamat, get used to the slow boring story beginning and wait maybe the post expansion story will be better

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I guess we should just keep throwing our money at SE and eat the crap they serve us. I'm all for constructive criticism and giving devs the benefit of the doubt, they're not superhumans after all, but story, the one thing that is universally praised about the game, taking a massive dive into the dumpster should be alarming to anyone who cares about the game.

I went into this expansion liking Wuk Lamat. By the end of the MSQ, I keep desperately hoping she's not going to end up joining the Scions or something somehow, since she's ran rampant over everything else in this expansion so far. Sick of seeing her, sick of hearing her voice. Go away, house cat.

The whole "anything without Wuk" era after this is going to be hilarious. Many of the people claiming to actually have problems with the storytelling will just end up being unhinged Wuk Lamat haters. Your feedback isn't helpful. A secondary protagonist like Wuk has never taken over an entire arc. All you're doing is whining when the expansion has legitimate storytelling problems that shouldn't be repeated, general characterization being only one and not exclusive to Wuk Lamat.

In other words what I'm saying is, you're just going to the people eating up the usual crap storytelling until some other character comes along and triggers you. Dawntrail has many problems of which Wuk Lamat is just a symptom.

It's a shame because we need more players just asking for better in the writing, not blaming fictional characters for their real life issues with a game.

If anything, the transition from Zero to Wuk should teach you that. People thought the patches were bad, now you have DT. Just saying characters are single handedly ruining stories is ineffective.

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Originally Posted by Cerbolt

She's even mentioned in most of the side quests it's actually driving me insane. She's not even here bro. My character goes out of his way to help these people and gets called Wok Lmaos companion most of the time. It's got to the point where I'm happy if they say his name.

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I swear, I was sighing over that too.
I'm trying to do aether current side quests, and they go "Ah you were with Poochie, weren't you?"
I'm a lalafell, literally something that is not common in Tural, and that's my claim to fame, being Poochie's accesory?

Please SE, give me the ability to punch the shins of friendly NPCs ... please.

You can't believe how happy I am that we didn't get Wuked in the Raid Storyline so far...

But...I admit it, I was scared. At every cutscene, I was already expecting the worst. When the moment came where the speech bubble read "familiar voice" I was like 'Please god no don't do this to me. Don't let it be HER.'

Yes. Wok Lmao scares me with her power to destroy a story.

Agreed. I gotta say, at this point I'm just happy she didn't self-insert without rhyme or reason into the raid story. Considering half of the quests she was in she had no place being there... You forced us to help you become a ruler, be a ruler and leave me alone to adventure.

At the beginning I wasn't fond of her but I found her kinda entertaining I guess. Jokes were a bit cringe but at a fine level. Then I had to babysit this child. When I finally got time off, she was stuffed in my face again. Hand-holding time. A bit of freed- Nope. And again. And again. So much I had a nightmare that involved "Talk to Wuk Lamat." Every time I do some sidequests and they mention her I facepalm. Dear NPC, if you want me to help you, don't mention her ever again please.

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Originally Posted by Turtledeluxe

The whole "anything without Wuk" era after this is going to be hilarious. Many of the people claiming to actually have problems with the storytelling will just end up being unhinged Wuk Lamat haters. Your feedback isn't helpful. A secondary protagonist like Wuk has never taken over an entire arc. All you're doing is whining when the expansion has legitimate storytelling problems that shouldn't be repeated, general characterization being only one and not exclusive to Wuk Lamat.

In other words what I'm saying is, you're just going to the people eating up the usual crap storytelling until some other character comes along and triggers you. Dawntrail has many problems of which Wuk Lamat is just a symptom.

It's a shame because we need more players just asking for better in the writing, not blaming fictional characters for their real life issues with a game.

If anything, the transition from Zero to Wuk should teach you that. People thought the patches were bad, now you have DT. Just saying characters are single handedly ruining stories is ineffective.

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The problem is that Wuk Lamat didn't feel like a "secondary protagonist". That role fell on the WoL, and on top of that it makes other more important character arcs like Krile's and Erenville's be like side quest fodder. That's what's making people get tired of the bad things that this character has (including the inconsistencies, since she's the biggest offender by a long mile), and it effectively ruins the whole expansion. An expansion that, despite not being perfect at all, would had been okay-ish without her constantly being pushed to the focus, since that would had meant that other characters and their stories would had been able to get more screen time. I'm not saying that that would had guaranteed that the story was good, but that not being there DID make the story worse.

No one can deny that, since it's obvious what the common denominator (and not just a symptom) of almost all the problems in the story is. People are right to voice their discontent over it, and you're on your right to just ignore the "whining" and your self-perceived real life issues if you don't like it. At least if that's your whole argument to defend that Wuk Lamat's writing is not at the very core of the problem. We can't fix what's wrong if we don't point what exactly is wrong, and you can't blame people's feedback on the writers not listening.