Power-leveling is absolutely BROKEN

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Originally Posted by Zenaku

You giving your view i understand everyone but the powerlevel still have to go. Top of that i don't even view your reason anymore viion listening to you here for months made me see the type of person you are.

Sorry if you dislike it but yoshi-p is wrong powerlevel should not be allow too this type it's way too much.

What yoshi-p is going back on his word on it should take players 3 and half month to level? If he goes back on his word on this what else can he do? Sorry yoshi-p have to fix this issue no one should level this quick.

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Why should no one level this quick, I think it is perfectly fine.

Also you dont "View my reason anymore?" You going to personally attack me. That will do wonders for yourself, you cannot get by my debate so you have to go into personally attacking me as your last string of defence. Kudos.

I hardly doubt you have any idea what type of person I am.

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Originally Posted by Zenaku

You giving your view i understand everyone but the powerlevel still have to go. Top of that i don't even view your reason anymore viion listening to you here for months made me see the type of person you are.

Sorry if you dislike it but yoshi-p is wrong powerlevel should not be allow too this type it's way too much.

What yoshi-p is going back on his word on it should take players 3 and half month to level? If he goes back on his word on this what else can he do? Sorry yoshi-p have to fix this issue no one should level this quick.

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Leveling to 50 may be quick, but what isn't quick is materia gear, especially extremely rare double (triple?) fittings. It's not as though you weren't left with a new grinding challenge to distinguish yourself with (if that's so important to you).

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Originally Posted by viion

Why should no one level this quick, I think it is perfectly fine.

Also you dont "View my reason anymore?" You going to personally attack me. That will do wonders for yourself, you cannot get by my debate so you have to go into personally attacking me as your last string of defence. Kudos.

I hardly doubt you have any idea what type of person I am.

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Ok all i'm saying is the powerlevel is broken and it should be fix no one should be gaining that amount of exp. They should fix it and add other way to gain level that does not = someone afk and someone just AOE. That is what we asking for so maybe then people would go back to partying and we can enjoy the game together.

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Originally Posted by viion

Why should no one level this quick, I think it is perfectly fine.

Also you dont "View my reason anymore?" You going to personally attack me. That will do wonders for yourself, you cannot get by my debate so you have to go into personally attacking me as your last string of defence. Kudos.

I hardly doubt you have any idea what type of person I am.

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I do. I mean, I don't know you in person. But we're so similar that the core banned me because they thought I was you. Remember that? Hah. I think you are a great person with a lot of talent. I think you are a good person overall.

But that's not gonna stop me from saying you're wrong. But remember, that's an opinion, and I'm voicing it, just as you are. :)

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Originally Posted by Zenaku

Ok all i'm saying is the powerlevel is broken and it should be fix no one should be gaining that amount of exp. They should fix it and add other way to gain level that does not = someone afk and someone just AOE. That is what we asking for so maybe then people would go back to partying and we can enjoy the game together.

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So now its finally coming together, it is a more deeper route. Your voice of opinion gives of that the whole thing should be removed and we should go back to 1.18. But we shouldnt do that, and you said it yourself there should be choices still (See bold quote)

What I disaggreed with from the start id the fact you can claim multiple mobs and you get EXP for everyone of them, rather than just the one you are fighting. Maybe we should remove the main PL aspect (can have a 50 in the PT) and implment the penalities, but make mobs killing, be easier for those who wish to solo/duo because right now it is extremely difficult and those players have 2 options: 1. Get a PT or 2. Get a power leveller/friend. One of them requires lots of people and waiting around and time, the other requires a tell to a friend and off you go. Its more down to what is easily accessable?

So I come back to the whole you thinking you know what type of person I am. I am not to bothered about the PL System, what I am bothered about is how long it takes to hit 50. 3months is not good, for a casual player that can be almost a year if they play 4 times less than the dedicated. No casual should be playing a game and know it can take up to a year to enjoy any content.

I much prefer to have PLing than be forced to chore out all year long.

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Originally Posted by Issac

I do. I think you are a great person with a lot of talent. I think you are a good person overall.

But that's not gonna stop me from saying you're wrong. But remember, that's an opinion, and I'm voicing it, just as you are. :)

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Thank you,

You can disagree with me 24/7, and I may disagree with you disagreeing with me! lol but it causes a debate and provides the devs useful information.

Maybe people dont see it like that, the dev team and yoshi will have a clearer view if more people are debating and expressing their opinion and debates, rather than fighting each other.

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Originally Posted by viion

So now its finally coming together, it is a more deeper route. Your voice of opinion gives of that the whole thing should be removed and we should go back to 1.18. But we shouldnt do that, and you said it yourself there should be choices still (See bold quote)

What I disaggreed with from the start id the fact you can claim multiple mobs and you get EXP for everyone of them, rather than just the one you are fighting. Maybe we should remove the main PL aspect (can have a 50 in the PT) and implment the penalities, but make mobs killing, be easier for those who wish to solo/duo because right now it is extremely difficult and those players have 2 options: 1. Get a PT or 2. Get a power leveller/friend. One of them requires lots of people and waiting around and time, the other requires a tell to a friend and off you go. Its more down to what is easily accessable?



Thank you,

You can disagree with me 24/7, and I may disagree with you disagreeing with me! lol but it causes a debate and provides the devs useful information.

Maybe people dont see it like that, the dev team and yoshi will have a clearer view if more people are debating and expressing their opinion and debates, rather than fighting each other.

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Ya delete it and add something else that make players play not AFK /follow and watch a movie come back oh look 20 levels.

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Originally Posted by Zenaku

Ya delete it and add something else that make players play not AFK /follow and watch a movie come back oh look 20 levels.

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Not exactly providing a solution there, and people have been doing that since day 1. PLing did not invent that. Forget about Bots and how this game is a botted goldmine?

Also not to mention people might not be "AFKing". For example I recently dualboxed to test Spiritbind, I left my main char standing there and focused on the killer. Does not mean I was AFK even though 1 char was doing nothing.

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Originally Posted by viion

Not exactly providing a solution there, and people have been doing that since day 1. PLing did not invent that. Forget about Bots and how this game is a botted goldmine?

Also not to mention people might not be "AFKing". For example I recently dualboxed to test Spiritbind, I left my main char standing there and focused on the killer. Does not mean I was AFK even though 1 char was doing nothing.

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So having people sitting there or /follow is not AFK? i get your view and i understand you but this game should make you want to party with others not just powerlevel eachother to max.

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Originally Posted by Zenaku

So having people sitting there or /follow is not AFK? i get your view and i understand you but this game should make you want to party with others not just powerlevel eachother to max.

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Did you read my post?

What if someone is duaboxing and 1 of their chars is on follow while they focus on the other char?

Thats not AFKing. You're being very judgmental to a system that you cant provide facts about, because it is not fact that everyone is AFKing.

Some might be AFKing but their is always someone having to do all the work.

Partying is good, but sometimes not so good, with people leaving, people not being good, taking forever to setup at times. Its nice to just have a cushion of just PL.

Or what if you have zero interest in getting 8 people together and would rather just ... have your class levelled up quickly?

Provide solutions, and reasoning, not 2 lines of being upset.

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Originally Posted by Tiraelina

Leveling through the slow version of raptor murder simulator doesn't teach the majority how to play any better than the fast version at all.

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It does actually.

Standing around doing nothing = You're not learning how to utilize your skills and when nor do you know the timing of dodging TP moves (which is generally the same for all mobs both vertical/conal and horizontal/AoE.)

Actually fighting = Learning your class and class implementation in a party situation.

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Originally Posted by viion

Did you read my post?

What if someone is duaboxing and 1 of their chars is on follow while they focus on the other char?

Thats not AFKing. You're being very judgmental to a system that you cant provide facts about, because it is not fact that everyone is AFKing.

Some might be AFKing but their is always someone having to do all the work.

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But what if there's 5 AFK people and one level 50 doing all the work? And keep in mind, they are still leveling so fast to the point of cheating. Is that still okay?

I honestly don't think so, man.

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Originally Posted by viion

Did you read my post?

What if someone is duaboxing and 1 of their chars is on follow while they focus on the other char?

Thats not AFKing. You're being very judgmental to a system that you cant provide facts about, because it is not fact that everyone is AFKing.

Some might be AFKing but their is always someone having to do all the work.

Partying is good, but sometimes not so good, with people leaving, people not being good, taking forever to setup at times. Its nice to just have a cushion of just PL.

Or what if you have zero interest in getting 8 people together and would rather just ... have your class levelled up quickly?

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So if the other person does the work for the new person then it's ok? i'm sorry i don't agree with that. I leave it at that so i'll wait for the dev team my talk with you is over no point in going on you said what you had to say i get you and maybe you don't get me but that ok :)

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Originally Posted by Issac

But what if there's 5 AFK people and one level 50 doing all the work? And keep in mind, they are still leveling so fast to the point of cheating. Is that still okay?

I honestly don't think so, man.

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I think it is okay. And so do the 5 people AFK and the 1 guy doing all the work. There is your Majority =P

And if its so fast, why be concerned? They will in an hour out level that area.

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Originally Posted by viion

I think it is okay. And so do the 5 people AFK and the 1 guy doing all the work. There is your Majority =P

And if its so fast, why be concerned? They will in an hour out level that area.

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Not really most of them stay there for some time even when EXP drop due to how many mobs are there.

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Originally Posted by Zenaku

Not really most of them stay there for some time even when EXP drop due to how many mobs are there.

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If lots of mobs shouldn't be too hard to compete. I've been to couple camps to PL boost and not a single time anyone else came, all of them would be suitable for a light PT in the level range I was and you'd not have any competition. People not broadening out!

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Originally Posted by viion

If lots of mobs shouldn't be too hard to compete. I've been to couple camps to PL boost and not a single time anyone else came, all of them would be suitable for a light PT in the level range I was and you'd not have any competition. People not broadening out!

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No matter how fast the repop rate is or how big the pop in the area is, it would still be an issue. No matter how fast you claim, it's still an issue. Reason being, a plvl can kill them much faster than a party of the appropriate level. I went into detail on this already, however.

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Originally Posted by viion

If lots of mobs shouldn't be too hard to compete. I've been to couple camps to PL boost and not a single time anyone else came, all of them would be suitable for a light PT in the level range I was and you'd not have any competition. People not broadening out!

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That could be over there at besaid but not over here sure i could find some camps but they would come and take the mobs and AOE everything. Maybe most ppl don't see it happening but the hours i do it happen a lot even around mid day. I just matter of bad luck? or maybe there is a lot of powerlevel going on.

maybe they did not came because they also powerleveling :) just a thought everyone is doing it the more they find out about this.

if this is true come power level me and stop bitching about it. Get money powerleveling people go.

It's obviously an issue since there are so many posts in the thread. Can not F***ing wait for a reply from the reps.

Ill power level anyone .5m/hr send tell in game

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Originally Posted by DeadRiser

It's obviously an issue since there are so many posts in the thread. Can not F***ing wait for a reply from the reps.

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You think its an issue due to all threads but sadly those who prefer it, are in-game doing it, not on the forums. You can tell by how many people are disagreeing that everyone is doing it. So everyone must like it!

Power leveling is fine, 1000x better than auto-leveling thread ( http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...ex.-auto-50%29 )

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Originally Posted by Synthesis

Power leveling is fine, 1000x better than auto-leveling thread ( http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...ex.-auto-50%29 )

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it's due to the powerlevel people request that :)

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Originally Posted by Synthesis

Power leveling is fine, 1000x better than auto-leveling thread ( http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...ex.-auto-50%29 )

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suck vs sucker it still suck... so that not have important... idk if can use action replay or rewrite date.. for what ever he want so what is meaning of MMO RPG just give anything that some ppl want that not make game more better fun. with this xp speed w/o cheat by high lv helper ppl can got alot and super fast xp by step by step with spent time with friend but now i can just sit and leave friend pl until 40 then join... with PT SH to 50 so if SE think fight with friend in event is every thing so why not remove LV exp and money and give menu command for set what player want player wear for what he want...

give it everything w/o do some or try some .. why not back to console or normal network game... what is meaning to play game online?
Lvl.. it so stupid i want play with friend.... SE: Ok we give u lvl with friend
find item very hard i lazy to find money SE: Ok we open free Bot
Boss is too hard SE: OK we will nerf it
.....i hate baby sister thinking

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ll power level anyone .5m/hr send tell in game

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Yes, we had that one before. I think the last one who shouted something similar in Ul'dah was called "Fiigro Gladiatrtwo", and he guaranteed that he would be doing it 24/7. For just 1 mil paid in advance.

Let's implement group crafting already, so I can just sit there while a level 50 capped crafter makes stuff and i get full exp for it while staring into a wall. Since everyone is going to powerlevel to cap, 1-40 gear is almost useless right, right? So why not powerlevel everyone's crafts, too. I mean clearly, you don't learn anything while hitting the same button 5000 times to level a craft just like fighting 5000 of the same mob to level a DoW/DoM. It's so booooring. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Vaer

Let's implement group crafting already, so I can just sit there while a level 50 capped crafter makes stuff and i get full exp for it while staring into a wall. Since everyone is going to powerlevel to cap, 1-40 gear is almost useless right, right? So why not powerlevel everyone's crafts, too. I mean clearly, you don't learn anything while hitting the same button 5000 times to level a craft just like fighting 5000 of the same mob to level a DoW/DoM. It's so booooring. :rolleyes:

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I would love it if someone could PL my crafts... I sure hate low level crafting. All that time for so little gain.

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Originally Posted by Charismatic

I would love it if someone could PL my crafts... I sure hate low level crafting. All that time for so little gain.

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Yeah, why not?! All the gear you could make 1-45 would be useless anyway. Let's just give all crafters auto-50.

Or take out craft levels altogether. While some may think that is ridiculous, I think it's a valid suggestion! I don't believe crafts should even be their own separate classes in the first place, but that's a subject for a different thread.

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Originally Posted by Charismatic

Or take out craft levels altogether. While some may think that is ridiculous, I think it's a valid suggestion! I don't believe crafts should even be their own separate classes in the first place, but that's a subject for a different thread.

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Yeah, let's just have a NPC giving out all the gear in the game!

Yeah, let's all and blow things out of proportion.
Apparently it's the only thing we're good at.

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I would love it if someone could PL my crafts... I sure hate low level crafting. All that time for so little gain.

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next time level your crafts along with your jobs. You'll make more use out of the things you create.

S'what I'm doing. I crafted all my starter gear before any craft was at rank 10. Sold the runoff from materials I farmed for 80k. That's significant for my overall level. And this is post 1.19, I might add.

Seems to me like you're playing it wrong. Could be why you're not enjoying it as much.

Hmmm, I wonder if that applies to power leveling too.... HMMMMMmmmmmmm.....

Crafting is boring because crafting is nothing but hitting buttons in menus over and over... it doesn't matter when I do it... it's still boring.

Then I don't think this game is for you, my friend. Mayhaps you'd like many other free games that practically hand everything to you.

same 5 people crying about this, and 150 others saying how they don't mind it.

Zenaku and Issac are 50% of the posts on this thread. (Exaggeration) but still lol.

Almost everything on this thread is "hey i don't mind the PL how it is" (random dewdt)

Zenaku or Iassac "Well its going to ruin the game because... well because i just feel it inside my heart of hearts"(even though i can give no solid evidence that PLing destroys games)

Wow's had PL system for years, 300% bonus exp on mobs and quests is just as broken as this, the only difference is in wow you don't need to have friends, and it costs a lot of money.

And how has wow been doing these all these years? Great. Yeah its not a perfect game but it holds the majority of players and i don't see them getting rid of their "pay for powerlevel service"

And one more thing... Issac and co.... who do you think is getting power leveled? i would say majority of them are end-game minded people who want to tackle end game when its released (already is Ifrit). And there is no competition for anything endgame atm.. so it doesn't threaten you.

I could see you crying if there was HNM that are world pops that you've been camping for 3 months trying to get a defenders ring or w/e, and this would decrease your chances of getting said items from the influx of high level players, but there is nothing like that right now.

Hitting max level used to be a huge thing in FFXI, and in other games but now games start at max level. Its all about gear and tackling hard content with friends and showing that off in town.

Do you even know why a leveling system is there? Its to slow down players from getting to late game (all to keep you playing longer and buying developers time to develop more content), and also so you learn you classes mechanics so you can play them properly. But with current day gamers most of us know how to play these classes already because we all were playing similar roles since we were 12.

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Originally Posted by Dokuton-Razortaru

same 5 people crying about this, and 150 others saying how they don't mind it.

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106 likes != 5 people

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Originally Posted by Dokuton-Razortaru

same 5 people crying about this, and 150 others saying how they don't mind it.

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I haven't made a count, but so far it seems 50/50 on the opinions.

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Originally Posted by Dokuton-Razortaru

Zenaku and Issac are 50% of the posts on this thread. (Exaggeration) but still lol.

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Pretty big exaggeration. There are nearly 700 posts in this thread. I have made 69 including this one.

What's a bit amusing is Zen has also made 69.

So, 138 posts. I think that's pretty reasonable for a thread with ~700 posts from two people who feel strongly about the issue.

Oh yeah, and you're forgetting about Travesty. While the three of us have been the most vocal, we have not been the only ones.

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Originally Posted by Denmo

Then I don't think this game is for you, my friend. Mayhaps you'd like many other free games that practically hand everything to you.

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Or I could just... you know, not craft. Just the way I've been doing, thank you very much Mr. Condescending.

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Originally Posted by Dokuton-Razortaru

same 5 people crying about this, and 150 others saying how they don't mind it.

Zenaku and Issac are 50% of the posts on this thread. (Exaggeration) but still lol.

Almost everything on this thread is "hey i don't mind the PL how it is" (random dewdt)

Zenaku or Iassac "Well its going to ruin the game because... well because i just feel it inside my heart of hearts"(even though i can give no solid evidence that PLing destroys games)

Wow's had PL system for years, 300% bonus exp on mobs and quests is just as broken as this, the only difference is in wow you don't need to have friends, and it costs a lot of money.

And how has wow been doing these all these years? Great. Yeah its not a perfect game but it holds the majority of players and i don't see them getting rid of their "pay for powerlevel service"

And one more thing... Issac and co.... who do you think is getting power leveled? i would say majority of them are end-game minded people who want to tackle end game when its released (already is Ifrit). And there is no competition for anything endgame atm.. so it doesn't threaten you.

I could see you crying if there was HNM that are world pops that you've been camping for 3 months trying to get a defenders ring or w/e, and this would decrease your chances of getting said items from the influx of high level players, but there is nothing like that right now.

Hitting max level used to be a huge thing in FFXI, and in other games but now games start at max level. Its all about gear and tackling hard content with friends and showing that off in town.

Do you even know why a leveling system is there? Its to slow down players from getting to late game (all to keep you playing longer and buying developers time to develop more content), and also so you learn you classes mechanics so you can play them properly. But with current day gamers most of us know how to play these classes already because we all were playing similar roles since we were 12.

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You must have skimmed seeing how theres allot more then isaac and zen who are saying plvling needs to be gone and is broken.

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Originally Posted by Charismatic

Or I could just... you know, not craft. Just the way I've been doing, thank you very much Mr. Condescending.

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Which is it? You want to have someone PL your crafting levels, but you don't want to craft? I don't get it. Why have a craft at level 50 if crafting is boring to you?

If you're not going to craft, then fine. Don't make ridiculous demands of the game for something you weren't going to do anyway, Mr. Smarty.