I can’t ignore this anymore! Something should be done about it!

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Originally Posted by Aegis

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The forums were much more active during the final stages of beta so I don't necessarily think that receiving less likes now in a longer time frame proves a huge drop in support. Also, even if it did then so what? I don't think it's polite or constructive to discredit someones request without explaining any personal reason that you are against such a change being implemented. Your post is a direct attack on the original poster, their attitude and approach but offers no opinion towards the topic itself.

I don't understand why you are trying to shoot down this thread? The original post is only requesting plans to be made and not demanding high priority, so there's really no reason to respond so critically and rudely. I would like to see A Rear Reborn and support the OP's request. Of course that's just my personal preference.

OP owes no apology.


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Unfortunately I can't post again today as my character is low level, but I'd like to respond to Aegis' reply below. Hope you see it.

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Originally Posted by Aegis

I did present a personal reason. The OP would be forcing his own personal tastes upon others without considering them.

The OP is requesting a change be forced on others regardless of whether or not they want it and is trying to present the case as if there is a popular mandate for it. He is doing so by deliberately misrepresenting numbers from beta threads that can't be linked back to.

He said the majority of the beta agreed with him, as much as he tries to back pedal on it, those were his words.

He said that the butt-slider topic got 900 likes when it was around 700. He used this as an example to show that people would support this particular idea. When he got called on the fact that SE responded that characters' backsides are working as intended he backpedalled again saying that this is completely unrelated to this request. Yet he is still citing that number in the OP in support of it.

At the end of the day, the OP doesn't like SE's design decisions. He would like to see his personal preference imposed on others across the board regardless of what they want and is trying to overstate the mandate for it by ignoring relevant information and changing figures.

I don't mind someone lobbying for a change they want, but the OP purposefully misrepresented the community to do it.

If you don't want to be called intellectually dishonest, do not deliberately distort facts.

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Thanks for reading and responding. I may have been hasty in my accusation, and can see you have a sincere motive in your argument, so apologies for that judgement. However, why defend the opinion of those who prefer the 2.0 butt when no-body seems to be voicing that preference. The argument seems to be those who prefer the 1.0 butt vs those who don't care. I haven't actually seen anyone come out yet and say they really prefer the 2.0 over the 1.0 butt and would be upset to see the model changed.

I am curious to know, for those who oppose the OP's request - do you personally prefer the 1.0 butt, the 2.0 butt or don't mind at all?

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Originally Posted by Velo_Vandore

The forums were much more active during the final stages of beta so I don't necessarily think that receiving less likes now in a longer time frame proves a huge drop in support. Also, even if it did then so what? I don't think it's polite or constructive to discredit someones request without explaining any personal reason that you are against such a change being implemented. Your post is a direct attack on the original poster, their attitude and approach but offers no opinion towards the topic itself.

I don't understand why you are trying to shoot down this thread? The original post is only requesting plans to be made and not demanding high priority, so there's really no reason to respond so critically and rudely. I would like to see A Rear Reborn and support the OP's request. Of course that's just my personal preference.

OP owes no apology.

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I did present a personal reason. The OP would be forcing his own personal tastes upon others without considering them.

The OP is requesting a change be forced on others regardless of whether or not they want it and is trying to present the case as if there is a popular mandate for it. He is doing so by deliberately misrepresenting numbers from beta threads that can't be linked back to.

He said the majority of the beta agreed with him, as much as he tries to back pedal on it, those were his words.

He said that the butt-slider topic got 900 likes when it was around 700. He used this as an example to show that people would support this particular idea. When he got called on the fact that SE responded that characters' backsides are working as intended he backpedalled again saying that this is completely unrelated to this request. Yet he is still citing that number in the OP in support of it.

At the end of the day, the OP doesn't like SE's design decisions. He would like to see his personal preference imposed on others across the board regardless of what they want and is trying to overstate the mandate for it by ignoring relevant information and changing figures.

I don't mind someone lobbying for a change they want, but the OP purposefully misrepresented the community to do it.

If you don't want to be called intellectually dishonest, do not deliberately distort facts.

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Originally Posted by Vandark

But if enough people agree I'm sure SE would look into it again and do something about it, don't you think?
I mean damn it's not even level with her back anymore... some gear just looks spaz now because of it...

Thanks for at least acknowledging how this has effected me, it really dose bother me.
Getting use to it hasn't been easy when I can't even ware the gear I like anymore.

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True, I have noticed some gear does look a bit odd. Be nice if SE made a comment about this though.

And you're welcome.

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Originally Posted by Ryihito

True, I have noticed some gear does look a bit odd. Be nice if SE made a comment about this though.

And you're welcome.

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They did, OP neglected to mention it. They said characters' backsides were working as intended.

@Vandark

Well, Nyerk you! Seriously. You jerk.
Stop forcing your own opinion on what looks good onto others!

Sure, I'm game for more sliders. But reverting to 1.0, and thus removing the 2.0 look!? You *****!

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Originally Posted by Aegis

They did, OP neglected to mention it. They said characters' backsides were working as intended.

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I know that, that was for the buttocks slider. I meant more like why they made minor changes to the body and posterior, unless I missed that.

It doesn't really bother me, just would be nice for Vandark and whoever else.

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Originally Posted by Ryihito

I know that, that was for the buttocks slider. I meant more like why they made minor changes to the body and posterior, unless I missed that.

It doesn't really bother me, just would be nice for Vandark and whoever else.

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They warned us ahead of 2.0 that a change to the graphics engine would mean our characters would look different than they did in 1.0. The character recreation was so we could change our characters accordingly.

I was, if not in support, at least not against the idea of a slider. Everyone could get what they want then. However, a lot of us are happy with the way our characters look. OP is demanding that those of us who aren't unhappy be inconvenienced so that he can be happy.

Most of the people who play this game have pancake butts so what's the problem?

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Originally Posted by Aegis

The OP would be forcing his own personal tastes upon others without considering them.

The OP is requesting a change be forced on others regardless of whether or not they want it and is trying to present the case as if there is a popular mandate for it.

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What and the new shape should be forced on everyone who became accustom to the old shape who were loyal to the orrigonal game, while everyone else abandoned it?

Also you really need to stop the argument that I am forcing this on people, people have the ability to say there view I'm not forcing anything on anyone.

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Originally Posted by Aegis

I was, if not in support, at least not against the idea of a slider. Everyone could get what they want then. However, a lot of us are happy with the way our characters look. OP is demanding that those of us who aren't unhappy be inconvenienced so that he can be happy.

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This is not true at all your the one making claims that are completely false and making accusations.
What about my second solution to this Fact,7
7: Making two optional body shapes at the very least could be enough to satisfy everyone.

I would not be opposed to ether the complete return of what I feel 1.0 players should be entitled to for previously playing the game and supporting it.

Or having two body shape options the new and the old in character creation, but it's completely unfair to force old players and expect them to be ok with a change like this.

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Originally Posted by Aegis

They warned us ahead of 2.0 that a change to the graphics engine would mean our characters would look different than they did in 1.0. The character recreation was so we could change our characters accordingly.

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I believed this would be purely graphics related, they didn't mention anything about what to me just looks like somethings completely gone wrong.

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Originally Posted by Aegis

They did, OP neglected to mention it. They said characters' backsides were working as intended.

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To my knowledge this was only a comment relating to the idea of a but slider.

I agree it's quite a general issue, the overall flatness. Not even female-specific either. Managed to snap this picture during EA, I believe it shows that particular issue off perfectly... poor thing couldn't be flatter if he tried, both in the front and in the back.

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5507/9...48950db6_o.png