The Monk Temple

quick question, is it possible to weave/animation cancel the PUG/MONK auto-attack?
I'm used to play assasins clases were I used to weave an AA between my skills to maximize dps....but I can't seem to do it here, my auto-attack goes off way to long after using any skill.
So, can you weave as a monk? and is it worth it? or just spam your combos after every global cooldwon?

[QUOTE=J_Burton;1121506]Hey! checking in to the pug/mnk thread.

I got Lancer to 15 in beta phase 4 to get it out of the way so I could unlock Monk the second I hit 30. Your job quests provide EXP that you would miss out on if you left it to 50. Also you will unlock pugilist abilities even when you are a Monk, as a Monk is the job an actual base class. The job quests also unlock Monk abilities.

For soloing to be honest I find it tricky to meet the flanking and rear requirements all the time unless an enemy is charging a special attack because normally they track you perfectly. In party play though the Monk is a beast :D Monk doesn't learn any other AOE unfortunately u nless you count Rock Breaker which does damage in a cone in front of you or Howling Fist ( which does damage in a straight line in front of you) which you learn at level 46.

Hope this helps somewhat :)

Nearing level 30 Pugilist and I will be swapping to Monk. Already have Lancer at 15 so I'm all ready on that front, but I'm curious...

Are there any skills that are optimal to be included in to the Monk rotation from other classes that I need to prioritize getting eventually? I hated leveling Lancer to 15 so I hope not, haha.

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Originally Posted by zipzo

Nearing level 30 Pugilist and I will be swapping to Monk. Already have Lancer at 15 so I'm all ready on that front, but I'm curious...

Are there any skills that are optimal to be included in to the Monk rotation from other classes that I need to prioritize getting eventually? I hated leveling Lancer to 15 so I hope not, haha.

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This is what I used:
http://ffxivrealm.com/guides/monk-dps-guide-v2.14/

Although I feel the same as you I was dreading leveling other classes (besides Disciples of the Land and Hand) but I've started Marauder for some cross class skills and it hasn't been much of a chore so far :)

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Originally Posted by revonine

Hope this helps somewhat :)

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It does very much, also thank you and thanks to almalexia for the info about leveling pug while being in the mnk job, very good to know.

On the flanking/ rear requirements it is tricky, but rewarding when pulled off haha. It really all depends on the enemies auto attack animation, which I've noticed we pug/mnk have some of the longest lol. The only trick I've really found so far is to learn the timing between an enemies auto attacks. Right as it's about to go off, position yourself to get the flank/ rear bonus as they freeze in place during their attack animations. This makes true strike a lot easier to land over bot shine since bot's animation is considerably longer =(. If anyone has any other tricks let me know =)

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Originally Posted by Erudain

quick question, is it possible to weave/animation cancel the PUG/MONK auto-attack?
I'm used to play assasins clases were I used to weave an AA between my skills to maximize dps....but I can't seem to do it here, my auto-attack goes off way to long after using any skill.
So, can you weave as a monk? and is it worth it? or just spam your combos after every global cooldwon?

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No need to weave. AA will happen on its own timer independent of all other skills so long as you are engaged, in range and facing the target.

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Originally Posted by J_Burton

It does very much, also thank you and thanks to almalexia for the info about leveling pug while being in the mnk job, very good to know.

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Definitely need to test this next time I'm on but it can be difficult for me to judge animations because I suffer from the dreaded lag sometimes. The amount of times I've thought I was well clear of an AOE only to realize I still got hit anyway because of the delay. But I think landing a Bootshine and continuing your rotation to get your Greased Lightning buffs should be priority over cross class skills unless you have enough time to fit them them in between/during rotations.

After all with enough Greased Lightning stack cross classed skills do more damage ;D

I have another question actually for anyone who's gotten to end game as mnk. With the cross over skills that up our def and healing we receive has anyone tried to build a dodge tank monk?

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Originally Posted by J_Burton

I have another question actually for anyone who's gotten to end game as mnk. With the cross over skills that up our def and healing we receive has anyone tried to build a dodge tank monk?

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They aren't intended to be used to "tank", there is no way to "Itemize" for "dodge" as a MNK. If your going to cross class any of the defensive cooldowns, pop them to take the brunt of an AOE or something, or for if you pull aggro and need a higher % to survive. Hardmode Primal and some bosses in 50 dungeons will still make you a splat on the floor regardless if you intend to be a tank or not, which isn't gonna happen. MNK is straight up dmg, with some small utility, and cooldowns to help stay alive. Even if your using materia slots, it won't make hardly any impact on your stats to consider yourself a dodge tank.

Since evasion is no longer a player stat, it's impossible to devise a strict evasion build like MNK, NIN, or THF in FFXI. You can't hope to get your defense comparable to a WAR or PLD, either.

So it is as Herrstarr says: use your defensive abilities in a pinch or to mitigate AoE.