ARR Gil Cap Reduction

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Originally Posted by NoctisUmbra

Are you really that dense or do you not understand how even by selling for less you make a solid profit. I wasn't even suggesting people should or would try to cheat Gil out of players but providing an example of how sellers wouldn't be losing Gil by lowering their prices to 100k

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This is what you were arguing against sir:

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Originally Posted by Punainen

Its slightly more complicated than that. As that makes it so anything that used to cost, say... 100 gil, if still listed at 100 gil, is a 90% increase in price. The problem lies in the fact that, those used to the current pricing will NOT begin charging 90% less for all their items. An item that sells in the MW for 10k, is NOT going to drop to 1k. It will remain at 10k. So beyond NPC values (which hold extremely little control over the economy), all they're really doing is making everyone poorer.

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This is what you said after the fact:

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Originally Posted by NoctisUmbra

Oh, this just came to mind so I apologize in advance for the double post, but consider the following little brain-teaser:

If you buy something for 500k on the market on November 1st before the Final Save maintenance for the current version and manage to sell this very same item for only 100k in ARR, you will have made a 50% ROI (Return on Investment).

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See the similarity? I rest my case.

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Originally Posted by NoctisUmbra

Lowering only the cap can result in gil being removed from the game. A global reduction of 1 digit will not result in any "gil" being taken away from the game.

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No, but it will virtually guarantee a massive outburst of rage from the majority of the player base. No gamers, least of all MMO gamers, likes to see their wallet number shrink to 1/10th of what it was, regardless of its actual value. SE would have to be completely retarded to do this, it's about as bad a PR move as they come.

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Originally Posted by NoctisUmbra

Eh... on that note, I'm pretty much done here. I'll just sit tight and wait for either the official translated video or a rep to clear it up. Once you all realize they are in fact performing a re-denomination and lowering all gil values by a factor of 10 I'm sure more people who can't grasp how that will work will get to posting then.

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Will you also be willing to shove your foot into your mouth and post the pics if it turn out SE isn't adjusting player's money after all?

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Originally Posted by Takeshi_Eiketsu

This is what you were arguing against sir:



This is what you said after the fact:



See the similarity? I rest my case.

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Uhm... if you mean the bit about making an obnoxious profit if you don't change the price... no shit. That's why I elaborated in my posts as to how people would not buy things priced with their old values once they have 90% less gil in their pockets. Thus people selling would be forced to drop prices. All it takes is for 1 person to start lowering prices significantly and then the now overly fluffed market prices will dwindle way down.

Is it really that difficult to see? Oh, well. Maybe some of you will finally get it once it happens.

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Originally Posted by Aenarion

No, but it will virtually guarantee a massive outburst of rage from the majority of the player base. No gamers, least of all MMO gamers, likes to see their wallet number shrink to 1/10th of what it was, regardless of its actual value. SE would have to be completely retarded to do this, it's about as bad a PR move as they come.

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Actually that shows how you don't understand what a re-denomination is. If you are thinking of it as losing wealth, then you're mistaken. Essentially you're exchanging 1 currency for the other. 1.xx gil for ARR gil. And the exchange rate is 1 ARR gil = 10 1.XX gil.

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Will you also be willing to shove your foot into your mouth and post the pics if it turn out SE isn't adjusting player's money after all?

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I will publicly announce my insolence. How about you? How sure are you? I'd suggest you look into how re-denomination works.

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Originally Posted by Xenor

Seriously? I was making 50mil a month when crab bows and jade crooks were cool.

Admittedly it has become a lot harder to make money since then and I've barely had a retainer in a ward this year because I just can't be bothered with it any more, so I can see why a new player would hold the opinion you have.

These days gil is mainly made through selling lots of small value items rather than high value items like +3 weapons. Sure the relic double melded weapons are expensive, but chances are if you're making those you're buying the materia so the profit is very low. It's just too time consuming to farm the right materia due to the RNG.

But just the other week I made over 22mil just exchanging my guildmarks. Money for literally nothing. I bet most people exchanged theirs without even thinking how to get the most money per mark.

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Ugh. I am not a new player. I just don't see the point in having more money than that. At a certain point, just knowing that I can generate gil when I need to is good enough. There is nothing to spend it on anyway.

You know, I don't care if they do either one of the things being debated here. Go on ahead, SE. I'm gonna put on some shades and ride my Goobbue. Done with this thread!

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Originally Posted by NoctisUmbra

Actually that shows how you don't understand what a re-denomination is. If you are thinking of it as losing wealth, then you're mistaken. Essentially you're exchanging 1 currency for the other. 1.xx gil for ARR gil. And the exchange rate is 1 ARR gil = 10 1.XX gil.



I will publicly announce my insolence. How about you? How sure are you? I'd suggest you look into how re-denomination works.

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Actually, that just shows you don't have much reading comprehension skills either. I was speaking specifically to the playerbase's PERCEPTION of the change, not the actual mechanic of the change, as seen in the statement "...regardless of its actual value".

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Originally Posted by Aenarion

Actually, that just shows you don't have much reading comprehension skills either. I was speaking specifically to the playerbase's PERCEPTION of the change, not the actual mechanic of the change, as seen in the statement "...regardless of its actual value".

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Perhaps you over-estimate this amount of "rage" the players will put forth. If it came to that, it'd be more a result of SE not properly explaining the change in currency in advance, not the actual change itself.

I wasn't aware we had gotten past whether they will do that or not, and now had moved onto discussing playerbase reaction. Now THAT is something we have plenty of experience on in FFXIV. I believe someone had even made a sig out of it.

1. SE vaguely announces a change.
2. Players go apeshit on the forums.
3. Players experience the change in game.
4. Everything is just peachy.

P.S: The "you" in my previous post wasn't necessarily referring to you alone but anyone who perceives a redenomination as a loss of wealth.

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Originally Posted by Raikki

http://i.imgur.com/uWrwY.jpg

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Originally Posted by NoctisUmbra

A 90% reduction to the currency as a whole is not "taking gil away." It is a measure against overly-inflated values.

Nobody loses wealth, the way their wealth is numerically represented is changed.

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I'm sorry, but I beg to differ. This would be true if players ONLY bought things from npc at npc prices.

If I have 5 million gil in 1.0 and then I go into 2.0 and now I suddenly have 500k. You must be some kind of gullible to expect that people are going to be putting new gear/triple melded gear/whatever up on markets for 500k or less. Players who put gear up for 2mil gil on markets in 1.0 are not going to put that same piece of gear up on 2.0 markets for 200k. It's still going to go up for 1-2mil. But unless you had 10-20mil in 1.0, this once affordable item is now WAY out of your price range.

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Originally Posted by Resheph

Ugh. I am not a new player. I just don't see the point in having more money than that. At a certain point, just knowing that I can generate gil when I need to is good enough. There is nothing to spend it on anyway.

You know, I don't care if they do either one of the things being debated here. Go on ahead, SE. I'm gonna put on some shades and ride my Goobbue. Done with this thread!

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Just because there currently isn't a need to have hundreds of millions doesn't mean there won't be a need in the future. If I was one of those players who wanted all 7 relic weapons I'd be looking at spending at least 150 million on that process. All that would filter down to the less well off players. The housing in V2 will also be costly. What else will they add that is costly?

And anyway I made my fortune at a time when I was able to play all day every day. I have a job now and don't have time to make tonnes of gil like that. I am set for the future. Making gil as you need it isn't always the best solution. I like to plan ahead.

I don't think this is anything to worry about. If they redenominate then everyone stays the same. If they're simply lowering the max digit then sure some rich players will lose money, those currently not playing who don't hear about the change in time, but the rest of us will move gil between characters. That in effect makes me richer, because those people who get unlucky with it will be taking gil out the system.