9/10 there's always something more to it when the first course of action is to kick up a fuss on the forums and then go for the "Can't beat em, join em" crusade. Especially when underpinned by certain mannerisms. Personally I'd just have tried to dispute it in silence, if said dispute didn't work then I'd try and push for a DSAR so I could at least push to get a copy of the corresponding logs. If I could have done something better then I'll keep it in mind for the future.Quote:
Originally Posted by technole
Warning for "Grief" Tactics?!
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02-09-2022, 04:55 AMKaurhz
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02-09-2022, 05:51 AMMaxilor
The only time I reported someone for griefing was when I was doing a Puppet's Bunker and during the second boss fight someone was intentionally trying to kill other groups with the laser beam.
They never talked in chat, but it was obvious they were doing it on purpose despite the entire Alliance trying to teach them.
We only passed it after the healers intentionally left them dead the rest of the fight.
I'm not sure if that player was ever actioned against, but I would imagine it's hard to prove someone is griefing and not just a bad player without incriminating chat messages. -
02-09-2022, 06:26 AMReality23I have two major thoughts in regards to this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaurhz
1. In all my years doing MMORPGs and online gaming, I have never seen this kind of community appeal amount to anything. At the end of the day it's the word of the person speaking against a generally silent administration. There is always some hopes of getting a rally going, but it never does, because nobody is going to take a leap of faith based on a situation they don't have all the facts in, usually based on the word of someone they don't know. This has been the case since the days of MUDS being the only way to get the MMO experience, back then people used to get banned and go to echoes or generally associated BBS systems and try the same thing, with the same results as modern MMO drama.
2. I do agree that silence on the part of game administrations is a bad thing however. That said it's no different than getting in trouble at most jobs where they generally hide behind company policy and give you some write up based on a general line in the company handbook without actually explaining or justifying anything. Just like RL there is also no effective review process when private companies and individuals are involved, you either have to trust the admins or not.
I have long felt there needs to be more corporate accountability in general, both in the workplace and in situations like this one. Right now it seems the basic gist of it is that to work for someone or use a product they can make you effectively sign a waiver where you give up most of your rights (which I think should be illegal), which is why they can get away with being so vague, especially seeing as being specific could actually get them in trouble.
My analogy to the workplace probably isn't the best, but it just seems similar to me. I haven't generally gotten in trouble in either context but I am aware of enough situations other people have gotten into where even if I felt the person basically deserved what happened I think the company was entirely wrong in how they were handling things, and also gained a general dislike for the process. It can say something when I think the person is wrong, but agree that the way the discipline is being conducted is even worse. Sadly those in politics are generally paid by the corporations they should be protecting people against, so we're never likely to see change. For my part when I join an MMO I know what I'm getting into, so I just try and do what I can to stay out of trouble, so far I haven't personally run into any problems. -
02-09-2022, 06:43 AMSennIt's possible the report was for something else entirely different. Or perhaps they have gotten reported for the same things in the past, and now they finally got a warning. I am not sure how a GM would determine which disconnects are intentional and which aren't. Maybe they take into consideration how often it happens?Quote:
Originally Posted by technole
When they get called out, they resort to calling people crybabies.Quote:
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What was said to me went way beyond just a disagreement. Too disgusting to go into further detail, but just know it was pretty bad. -
02-09-2022, 06:52 AMLittleChickenNuggetI'll keep you guys posted when I actually start crying, I promise. Though Senn, I'm curious. What DID I say to you that was so disgusting? If it was disgusting, SO bad, I wouldn't be allowed to post on the forums at all. So please, explain how because I didn't want male viera, I'm a monster who left a scar on you through the internet? We can make a new topic for it if you'd like.Quote:
Originally Posted by Senn
On topic; It is possible to get reported for something else that happened at another point down the road. Doesn't mean that people shouldn't be allowed to know what they've done wrong so they can fix it down the road. I've never been in trouble in game, how would I know to fix a problem I didn't see existing? -
02-09-2022, 06:58 AMSennLOL it had nothing to do with that. Are you for real right now?Quote:
Originally Posted by LittleChickenNugget
If I say it, my post would be removed and I'd get a temp ban just like you did, so hard pass.
ooooooh my goodness, I wish I could just say it. girl byeQuote:
Originally Posted by LittleChickenNugget
wait wait wait waitQuote:
Originally Posted by aveyond-dreams
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02-09-2022, 07:00 AMLittleChickenNuggetAh so we're just making things up so we look like we're painted in a certain light. Gotcha. Thanks for the convo Senn, hope you have a good one.Quote:
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02-09-2022, 07:01 AMaveyond-dreams
I remember that a lot of anti-male viera posters accused those who preferred the slimmer/more Omega-like design as opposed to a more muscular one of all sorts of things, ultimately I am grateful that we received them in the state we got due to Senn's consistency in his main post in that thread.
The reality is that despite being called "Final Fantasy XIV" most of the male races prior to the inclusion of Male Miqote and then Male Viera were far removed from the usual look of a typical Final Fantasy hero, with hyurs having a sort of...uncanny aspect to them, Elezen being, well Elezen (yes I know I am saying that while posting from my elezen character), etc.
To the surprise of no one, male Viera's finished form is largely popular despite its limited state, because they gave us a design that is very much "Final Fantasy" and appeals to the core playerbase of this game instead of something completely out of the blue like Hrothgar, which FF players just didn't gravitate towards. I feel bad that posters like Senn and Sturm had endured so much over the course of that thread, but honestly the result was worth it and their efforts resulted in a very beneficial addition to the roster of races in game. -
02-09-2022, 07:27 AMVirusOnline
Man, I tell you out of all the mmos, FFXIV has to have the best witch hunts.
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02-09-2022, 08:04 AMDragonFlyyNope. Their policies clearly state that they give out no information except what the violation was.Quote:
Originally Posted by hynaku