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Originally Posted by ICountFrom0

https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/shado...ers/patch_5_5/

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As towers rise and darkness falls, Eorzea's players take the stage- blades poised to meet the Final Days.

PATCH 5.5

Main Scenario Quests

Death Unto Dawn - Part 1
The Scions have finally succeeded in discovering a cure for tempering, which should prove instrumental in allowing the Eorzean Alliance and the land's beast tribes to settle their differences. Prospects of peace may soon fall to ruin, however, as Fandaniel and the Telophoroi scheme to recreate the Final Days, and ominous towers rise in all corners of the realm. With the servants of chaos amassing at every turn, will the Scions uncover their plot before it is too late?

Two pictures with this one. While I don't notice anything too obvious in either of them, the references to peace with the beast tribes furthers the theory about where the patch will take place.

I do want to ask, have we seen the gryphon rampant as a political icon before? Can we get a theory about where this meeting is happening?

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The meeting is in Ala Mhigo. That is Ala Mhigo's flag. Hien and Y'shtola are absent. The second picture is just confirmation that we will find Estinien in 5.5.

It sounds like we might be coming to the aid of the Amal'jaa. Though our last dungeon-based excursion into beast tribe territory was... less than friendly, lol. I wonder if we'll see Lunar Ifrit for this dungeon, or if they're saving that stuff for Endwalker.

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Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami

Yeah but we at least have their memory crystals and some of the other sundered ascians to go off of (namely mitron and loghrif whose goals were put forward). Plus tbh i’d rather they not just try and throw remaining ascian after ascian at us it’d seem pretty rushed and unbelievable that way.

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I'm afraid that 6.0 raid series Pandaemonium will be this. Granted does reference another final fantasy, but its also the name of the base in hell where fallen angels gather to plot revenge after they've been kicked out heaven in John Milton's Paradise Lost.

In other words what I'm saying is that raid series could just be the remaining ascians trying a plan-b if Zodiark falls at the end of 6.0.

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Originally Posted by Rosenstrauch

It sounds like we might be coming to the aid of the Amal'jaa. Though our last dungeon-based excursion into beast tribe territory was... less than friendly, lol. I wonder if we'll see Lunar Ifrit for this dungeon, or if they're saving that stuff for Endwalker.

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They mentioned that the Immortal Flames sent out scouts because there were reports of Amal'jaa going missing in Southern Thanalan...which I'd assume is probably a result of their tower-tempered brethren kidnapping them.

I do hope we'll actually be helping the still sane Amal'jaa beat back the tempered raiding their settlement instead of just forcing our way through so we can get to the tower.

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Originally Posted by Rosenstrauch

It sounds like we might be coming to the aid of the Amal'jaa. Though our last dungeon-based excursion into beast tribe territory was... less than friendly, lol. I wonder if we'll see Lunar Ifrit for this dungeon, or if they're saving that stuff for Endwalker.

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I had thought about this but like, after unreal trials, and eden i’m kind of over those primals now xD. Can we have something new.

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Originally Posted by Kesey

I'm afraid that 6.0 raid series Pandaemonium will be this. Granted does reference another final fantasy, but its also the name of the base in hell where fallen angels gather to plot revenge after they've been kicked out heaven in John Milton's Paradise Lost.

In other words what I'm saying is that raid series could just be the remaining ascians trying a plan-b if Zodiark falls at the end of 6.0.

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Yeah i had read up on this and it made me worry. I have some hope they wouldn’t do that but i guess we’ll see. My original thought was that it would be based around Laha and his memories and maybe in an ff2 type way he’d be split between two beings. I’m expecting some kind of twist with him anyhow considering they showed him right off the bat.

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Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami

I had thought about this but like, after unreal trials, and eden i’m kind of over those primals now xD. Can we have something new.

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Right?

At this rate we'll be fighting 'Solar Bahamut' in 7.0...

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Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami

I don’t really see the sundered ascians siding with Fandaniel. As Eden showed us while they are tempered they still have their own goals and everything. Fandaniel’s whole goal kind of seems to go against everything they're for with him wanting to destroy the worlds. I wouldn’t be surprised if a lot of them go rogue away from him seeing as his memory crystal was fractured but the other ones were all fine, he might just raise up black masks idk.There's also the possibility considering the terms potential ancient origins, it could be a group taking after Venat's group from before the Sundering but thats purely speculation. :p

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The main factor we saw motivating Mitron and Loghrif was restoration of their memories. Granted, Mitron could not do so as effectively without a memory crystal, so he resorted to other methods, but this, as you mention, is the one thing that distinguishes Fandaniel from the rest - his crystal is fragmented and the memory within it, weak. For those who missed it, that is alluded to when you discovered the crystals in Amaurot, e.g. here. I am hoping we see at least some of the Overlords pull away from Fandaniel, as his goal is anathema to theirs and it is the degree to which their memories were successfully restored which commits them to their goal, rather than tempering. Tempering may or may not intensify those motives but it's not been invoked as the main reason for them and I don't even see why it should be at this point; we have too few details on how Hydaelyn and Zodiark effect it to say. So I expect and hope it will cleave along the lines of how strongly the memory was restored, or not.

Regarding "Telophoroi", it is, in the context of the setting, very likely to be a word relating to the ancient world - oddly enough, seeing as how Fandaniel holds the ancients in contempt. So, it may itself be a term that refers to a group that existed within the ancient world, one which may well have tried to facilitate the end of the world back then. "Servants of chaos" in this context could refer to any number of things, be it tempered minions, monstrosities, perhaps some black masked Ascians, etc. Bearing in mind Fandaniel is also moving things within Garlemald, or what remains of it anyway. It's worth noting, for example, the French version refers to the Telophoroi as a (very) small group. How small is anyone's guess. Meanwhile, the German refers (separately to the term) to raising up a huge army, so no real differences there, and it probably corresponds to the "servants of chaos" part. I took Telophoroi as a break away from the Ascians, who labour to restore the ancient world and reassemble the Source. While I don't doubt they may put some other Overlords in there, I do hope it won't be all of them, and that at least some of them won't be written to be entirely antagonistic.

As for Pandaemonium, given the emphasis on Lahabrea and the Mateus symbol, as well as the tie in with II (possibly IX), I expect that'll be its focal point. It's not impossible that they could involve other ones there, but given that Lahabrea didn't get as much of a story as Emet or Elidibus, I suspect that this is what this will all be about.

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Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami

Yeah i had read up on this and it made me worry. I have some hope they wouldn’t do that but i guess we’ll see. My original thought was that it would be based around Laha and his memories and maybe in an ff2 type way he’d be split between two beings. I’m expecting some kind of twist with him anyhow considering they showed him right off the bat.

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Or Lahabrea's connection is he made place and told the others to collect there if Zodiark is ultimately defeated. In other words it's Lahabreas's Plan B and machinations, but other Ascians helming them.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

Right?

At this rate we'll be fighting 'Solar Bahamut' in 7.0...

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I mean Lunar Bahamut is pulled straight from FF4A which is pretty clearly a strong inspiration for Endwalker.